Russia

[Le Redditeur]

Doesn't matter. The damage has been done. Pulling out would not benefit Russia at all.

And Veris is Finnish. He can talk objectively about Russia about as well as I can about Denmark.

That's the thing about nonsensical wars

Nonsensical? If Putin actually conquers the Ukraine in its entirety Europe will reply on Russia for its oil and wheat.

Not really, they'll try and find oil, gas and wheat elsewhere, environmental regulations be damned. They're already looking into it in France and England.

I find funny that people say that Russia will be totally fine and be able to adapt to the sanctions, but the West will be DOOMED if it doesn't get Russian oil and gas.

[RAPEMAN]

That's the thing about nonsensical wars

Nonsensical? If Putin actually conquers the Ukraine in its entirety Europe will reply on Russia for its oil and wheat.

Not really, they'll try and find oil, gas and wheat elsewhere, environmental regulations be damned. They're already looking into it in France and England.

I find funny that people say that Russia will be totally fine and be able to adapt to the sanctions, but the West will be DOOMED if it doesn't get Russian oil and gas.

You're not letting this one go, are you?

[Le Redditeur]

I guess we can wait and see how good the Russians will have it now that they're free from the tyranny of the global markets.

[McGinnis]

And Veris is Finnish. He can talk objectively about Russia about as well as I can about Denmark.

There's lacking objectivity and there's downright delusion.

Russia can end this war any time it wants. It does us no good to pretend otherwise. Don't count on the sanctions destroying the country, either. Russians have endured much harder times than this

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

But those other hard times was before they could watch Spoony videos.

[rabidtictac]

I really wouldn't count on Russia crashing into the ground. They have their own food, they have their own fuel, Ukraine is a massive breadbasket rich with natural resources most of which have been untouched by the fighting, and despite the punitive measures the West have tried to impose upon Putin for this war, they still need to buy Putin's oil which gives him a lot of hand in their negotiations.

I'd be more concerned about America crashing into the ground

You had me until the last sentence. Saying America will crash to the ground right after declaring that Russia doesn't need the rest of the world because it has so many resources... Bitch, the fuck do you think the USA has? Just because some fag in Washington won't allow us to drill for oil right now doesn't mean that won't change right quick if gas hits $10/gallon. If nothing else, megacorps won't stand around and allow themselves to be run out of business. They'll buy the media, buy the politicians and those Goodspeak politicos will be singing the praises of local oil reserves on MSNBC inside a week.

The Americas can easily feed and gas themselves, based on our natural resources. That's part of why it's so infuriating these politicians sell our country bit by bit to China, and throw away taxpayer money on overseas bullshit. We don't need it! We don't need globohomo bananas from some fucking island! We don't need gas from the middle east or shirts from a sweat shop in Taiwan! America *could* have a largely domestic economy again if we started bullying the globalists and megacorps like they need to be.

[AdorableOtter]

You need time/money/people/equipment/oil to dig up resources, especially time. If Russia, China, India, Iran, Saudi, etc are all serious about this petro Ruble/Yuan thing, it will hit EU/US hard one way or another. It won't be crashing into the ground bad (well, hopefully), but it's still bad.

Also, US/EU started the economic sanctions ill-prepared even though the consequences were obvious, and that's why I suspect it's all intentional. Maybe megacorps are trying to destroy the western economy for the big final paycheck or something. If it's intentional, shit's gonna hit fan. You need to remove dems/wokes ASAP.

To us, this is a war of choice, like Iraq. To them this is a war of necessity, like World War II.

You are playing into ancient KGB mind tricks. One can argue Iraq War was war of necessity too, like, US had to invade Iraq to protect US economy and people, because this crazy Mudslim bastard Sadam was trying to kill 'Muricans via perverty with petro EURO. Russia wasn't facing an existential crisis, it's not like WWII.

[McGinnis]

Saying America will crash to the ground right after declaring that Russia doesn't need the rest of the world because it has so many resources... Bitch, the fuck do you think the USA has

Two things. Firstly, I didn't say Russia didn't need the rest of the world. It has the rest of the world to trade with. It's only the so-called 'International Community' which is really just the United States, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan, that sanctioned Russia. Everybody else either refused to sanction Russia or refused to get involved. Brazil, Redditeur's country, will still trade with Russia. Mexico will still trade with Russia. India, Saudi, China of course, they will all still trade with Russia. China can't afford not to. Even in Western Europe, the Germans have made it clear they will still buy Russian oil because they can't afford not to. Kugel mentioned how so much of the German economy is based on petrol and cars. The Germans will buy American F-35s out of guilt for breaking American sanction regiment but, bottom line, they will still buy Putin's oil. It's only the West who end up being the real losers here

Secondly, of course the USA has vast natural resources. Alaska alone is rich in untapped oil and probably a few other things. But, like you said, the whores in Washington won't allow people to drill or mine for these things and it doesn't really help in the short term anyway. The West could eventually find substitutes for everything we buy from Russia. But, in the short term, the people are going to have to deal with shortages, perhaps crippling shortages, leading to potential civil unrest and riots. Thought Little Potato's truckers were a problem before? Just wait until they can't make deliveries because the petrol prices are too high/there is no petrol

As for the Megacorps, they're too focused on their ESGs and selling out to China. They will go around the sanctions and buy from Russia if they have to, before they lift a finger to do anything that might benefit the American people in the slightest.

You are playing into ancient KGB mind tricks.

No, I'm not. I'm telling you their perspective.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

The Germans will buy American F-35s out of guilt for breaking American sanction regiment but, bottom line, they will still buy Putin's oil. It's only the West who end up being the real losers here

We're buying F-35s because we need Tornado replacements now and our own military-industrial complex is too corrupt and inept to get shit done.
Literally every bit of materiel we try to develop in-house takes too long, has its costs spiral out of control and rarely even ends up achieving the agreed-upon minimum standards.

Maybe megacorps are trying to destroy the western economy for the big final paycheck or something. If it's intentional, shit's gonna hit fan. You need to remove dems/wokes ASAP.

Oh yeah, I'm sure MegaCorps would like the West to crash and burn so they are at the mercy of less-democratic regimes who have no qualms about smashing corporations they see as a threat.

[rabidtictac]

The F-35 was a mistake and the US selling them to other countries only makes the mistake worse.