Russia

[McGinnis]

Minitrue is at it again

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Also according to Russian sources, the mighty Ukrainian helicopter fleet has attacked a Russian oil depot. Fucking hilarious if true.

[Kugelfisch]

So Ukraine, who supposedly are kicking massive ass if one was inclined to believe the western propaganda, suddenly thinks that neutrality wouldn't be such a crazy idea.

[McGinnis]

Too bad Putin is no longer interested in negotiating

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Was he ever?

[McGinnis]

Early on, maybe. But, I think I've said this before, the Western response has made this war very high cost and now there's the fact that the Ukrainians are maiming and torturing Russian POWs. Putin will want to leave no doubt about who 'won'

[Le Redditeur]

And how exactly their "neutrality" would be guaranteed? The Swiss have the Alps to help them dissuade anyone from attacking. The small, perpetually neutral Euro micronations are surrounded by friendly nations. How the fuck do you guarantee Highway to Moscow's neutrality? Ask the Belgians and the Luxembourgs how much "neutrality by geopolitical necessity" was worth when push came to shove. Not to mention, Putin literally just had the other bordering nation that was supposed to be "neutral" to officially and forever abandon neutrality (which is a fact that the "Ukraine should just be let to be a Russian puppet be completely neutral and not take any geopolitical sides" shills conveniently seem to ignore). It's nonsense of the highest degree to think a piece of paper would be respected tomorrow by the same people who said "screw it" to international relations today and rolled in the tanks (and did it in the most cynical way possible)

I get it; I'm also I'm fucking tired of meaningless virtue signaling about muh Ukraine, because I see it every time I run "composer install" or "composer update" when trying to manage the dependencies on a goddamn PHP project, something that should have ZERO to do with taking sides on any war because these softwares are all open source and they can't even forbid the Russian government from using them anyway. There's no meaningful way to "save" Ukraine except by starting WW III, which end up paralyzing any concrete decision and makes it rip for meaningless virtue signalling. Reminds me of Mexico leading the denouncing of the Anchluss in 1938, and it was just as impacting and meaningful as a #IStandWithUkraine hashtag is today.

But I don't believe for a second in any claims that imply this shit is anything but what it really is: a plain and simple surprise war of aggression, declared in the first quarter of the 21th Century, started by a balding manlet with delusions of grandeur, because he sensed that his geriatric counterpart in America was barely functional.

Was he ever?

Of course not. What he wanted was to overrun Ukraine from Donestk to Poland and from the Black Sea to Belarus since day one. It would never end before he achieved that, unless the ground situation completely broke down due to poor logistics (which, despite the appearances, would ultimately be impossible because Ukrainian terrain is too flat for logistics to break down without heavy aerial attacks, which Russia neutralized from day one).

[McGinnis]

a plain and simple surprise war of aggression

Yeah, that's about the take you'd walk away with if you hadn't actually been paying attention.

Nothing about this was a surprise. It's been in the making since at least 2014

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Plus the West has fearmongered over an invasion in the near future for months before it actually happened.

[Kugelfisch]

a plain and simple surprise war of aggression

Yeah, that's about the take you'd walk away with if you hadn't actually been paying attention.

Nothing about this was a surprise. It's been in the making since at least 2014

Yeah, hardly a surprise when the Crimea was annexed some seven or so years ago and this shit was brewing all this time.

And no, Redditeur, you don't get it.
This neutrality is not the Swiss kind of neutrality. It's, not just figuratively but literally, a "never ever fucking join the NATO or even ponder that shit out loud or there will be WWIII instantly" kinda neutrality. Russia said as much in their demands, phrased a bit more diplomatically, and those demands were declined by Krusty because he was happy to throw all the men in front of the Russians to buy himself a day more of being in charge.

Russia isn't negotiating is what I was saying. Their demands haven't changed even a tiny bit from day one. It's the Ukrain that has declined all of the demands and is now backpaddeling.

As for whatever war crimes are going on, nobody truly knows and we will never know the extend of it. Nasty shit is going on for sure and neither side can be trusted.
But then, I don't believe in war crimes. All is fair in love and war. I just want the fucking Ukraine to capitulate already so gas isn't assrape levels of expensive and so the West finally realizes that if you aren't ready for war you will get fucked by those that are.