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[Guest]

The problem you're both having is that shit you read on the internet isn't bar talk.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

I have heard some of them bring up the Space Race and how in Russia it brought industrialisation. So yeah they have a point, Communism is better than a really shitty Monarchy run by an incompetent idiot son who only inherited it by birth but that's about it. The rest of the world was going through the industrial revolution while in Russia they still lived like the middle ages so any type of push towards it was going to be better. If they had embraced modernised capitalism they would have achieved it anyway but without all the commie baggage.

In either form of government, it really boils down to how autistic the people in charge are. At least with the inbred idiot on the throne, you only have one yokel to get rid off.

Neets are the superior life form.

No useless thots, no dead-end job and no toxic, commie-supporting friends.

Just 2d waifus and 3d waifu pillows, as God always intended.

[Poonoo]

You've got to be a special kind of fucked up to defend Stalin, the man who killed more people than Hitler

They usually deflect and say "capitalism kills too" and point to third world shit when it comes to all the death from communism. You see this a lot from lefties who can't defend their position so they try to make you sound like a hypocrite and dodge. Kevin Logan does this a lot because he knows he can't defend feminist shit and Noam Chomsky is the king of doing that.

That and they excuse the death count because of the large population the two countries had.

[rabidtictac]

It's harder to come up with bullshit excuses for the deaths that were caused by FUCKING FAMINES CREATED BY COMMUNISTS NOT MANAGING FOOD CORRECTLY AND ASSIGNING FARMERS TO OTHER JOBS!

Go look up Mao's china. He had farmers melting down their tools to make pig iron, calling it steel and claiming China was producing more steel than anywhere else in the world.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Stupid bugged steel mechanics.

That and they excuse the death count because of the large population the two countries had.

Oh, I'm sure the larger population perfectly makes up for some parts of the Soviet Union having their population almost cut in half. And some regions might've been harder. All while the higher-ups are pretending that the harvest is better than ever.

[rabidtictac]

Yeah, they'd pretend the harvest was amazing, meanwhile people stood in lines for hours to get bread and couldn't even get any. Money was worthless because there was nothing to buy with it. But if you were a high-ranked Party official, you lived the good life with plenty to eat and drink and lots of little luxuries.

[Bobito]

You are forgetting the " they are going to nationalize the "insert mineral" extraction" argument, as if those fuckers in charge wouldnt take advantage of that and give normal people even less gross domestic product average with all the stealing they do.

[Poonoo]

You are forgetting the " they are going to nationalize the "insert mineral" extraction" argument, as if those fuckers in charge wouldnt take advantage of that and give normal people even less gross domestic product average with all the stealing they do.

That's implying they are competent. In Venezuela they took over the oil refineries, hired a ton more people for the sake of giving people jobs and productivity dropped significantly. One argument I have heard from socialist retards is that they will have full employment by making sure everyone has a job. The problem is that they don't understand basic economics, in the fucking 11th grade I did economics and hated it but the only thing I learned was when my teacher got us to build paper airplanes on one table. First it was one person doing it in a time limit of 1 minute. With a 2nd person more were made. But eventually the increase in productivity slowed down when they added more and more people until eventually the amount of planes being built actually decreased despite their being more people.

In other words too many cooks spoil the broth. This is some basic economic shit, and the day I learned that is the day that I knew more about economics than every single socialist in history. Venezuela sure as fuck didn't know it and it fucked with their country and made them produce less oil.

With Libertarians and Socialists ask them to explain their position without shitting on something else. The socialist will spend most of their time criticising capitalism and the libertarian will talk your ear off about how shit socialism is, don't let them deflect and make them focus on why their system is good instead. Watch them crumble as they say some truly retarded shit, without crapping on something else the dumb shit they will say doesn't get hidden amongst it.

[Keith Chegwin]

The problem is that they don't understand basic economics, in the fucking 11th grade I did economics and hated it but the only thing I learned was when my teacher got us to build paper airplanes on one table. First it was one person doing it in a time limit of 1 minute. With a 2nd person more were made. But eventually the increase in productivity slowed down when they added more and more people until eventually the amount of planes being built actually decreased despite their being more people.

I think we actually did that experiment at school

[Credo in Deum]

So basically that means all you need to do is combine all critique of Liberalism, Capitalism, the Age of Enlightenment and Industrialization into one ideology instead of erecting a communist society.