Release the Garbage Cut

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Sometimes I wonder what is sadder: The Dark Universe for never actually starting in the first place, or the DC Cinematic Universe for having a foundation made out of shit?

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Can someone more wellversed in all this explain to me why Snyder followed a basic Superman reboot with insane three-hour comic book crossover extravaganzas that require a lifetime of DC fandom to decipher?

Basically his Superman reboot was shit, but they wanted to get the ball rolling on doing their own Cinematic Universe like Marvel's, so rather than do yet another reboot, they basically shoved Batman into the sequel because Batman sells. That was also shit and way undersold expectations, but they let him do Justice League because he'd already set it up and they wanted to get the ball rolling on doing their own Cinematic Universe like Marvel's. Then his adopted daughter killed herself or something when Snyder was doing post on Justice League so they got Joss Whedon to finish it. The resulting film was again a pile of shit that, again, way undersold expectations. So their Cinematic Universe, like Marvel's, is basically stillborn and considerably worse than Marvel's, which is quite an achievement considering Marvel just remake the same film over and over.

Do not dare shift blame off the Snyders. Zack Snyder has had a priveledged and protected career his entire time as a director. Meet his wife: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Snyder

Keep in mind, due to Deborah's influence, Zack Snyder was given Carte Blanche with the DC movies. To the point where Christopher Nolan, who was a proven money-maker with his Dark Knight Trilogy, was overruled and overridden on Man of Steel repeatedly by Zack Snyder.

[Guest]

Sometimes I wonder what is sadder: The Dark Universe for never actually starting in the first place, or the DC Cinematic Universe for having a foundation made out of shit?

DC Cinematic Universe, definitely. Keep in mind that DC/Warners could have made a cinematic universe YEARS before Marvel did it because, unlike Marvel, they didn't sell off the movie rights to their big characters to other studios to get them out of bankruptcy. But Marvel beat them to punch, with characters nobody really cared about, and their attempt to play catch-up is both sad and pathetic (and hilarious)

Do not dare shift blame off the Snyders.

I didn't? I spent most of that paragraph calling his films dogshit

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Sometimes I wonder what is sadder: The Dark Universe for never actually starting in the first place, or the DC Cinematic Universe for having a foundation made out of shit?

DC Cinematic Universe, definitely. Keep in mind that DC/Warners could have made a cinematic universe YEARS before Marvel did it because, unlike Marvel, they didn't sell off the movie rights to their big characters to other studios to get them out of bankruptcy. But Marvel beat them to punch, with characters nobody really cared about, and their attempt to play catch-up is both sad and pathetic (and hilarious)

Do not dare shift blame off the Snyders.

I didn't? I spent most of that paragraph calling his films dogshit

Snyder had almost completely unfettered creative control, because wifey backed him up. To the point that Nolan, Warner Bros golden goose was overridden. All the stuff you hear about future planned movies or a planned Batman movie, all bullshit.

The MCU is almost accidental. If not for jon favreau, it wouldn't exist. People keep forgetting that too, which is weird. The MCU was also originally going to be much more director-based in the beginning, with directors chosen for their unique stamp on things, like Joe Johnson's Captain America.

After 'Avengers', everyone at Marvel had to write Whedon-esque dialogue. I hate Whedon-esque dialogue. In fact, the Whedon Justice League cut's dialogue is one of the worst things about it.

Buuut... at least Whedon's heroes sound heroic. Corny, yes. Quippy, sarcastic, absolutely. But at least heroic.

Snyder's dialogue is angry, nihilistic, and destructive. This is from the guy that keeps human skulls in his office. After listening to how bad, stilted, and utilitarian the Snyder cut's dialogue was, I rewatch the Whedon cut and Whedon Talk was like "Oh thank god! Superman's not maiming people!"

What I will say is, if you liked Man of Steel and BvS, you will hate the Whedon JL. You might like the Snyder JL in all it's dark, nihilstic, destructive, violent, dark toned edginess.

If you like DC superheroes as shining paragons of hope in a fiction designed for kids, however, and can pretend MoS and BvS didn't exist and an alternate version of those films existed where Superman and Zod didn't' reenact the Saiyan saga in downtown Metropolis, the Whedon cut is not great, but... watchable. Simply due to Joss Whedon having a core competency as a film maker that Zack Snyder never ever will.

[Dehbashi]

Snyder had almost completely unfettered creative control, because wifey backed him up. To the point that Nolan, Warner Bros golden goose was overridden. All the stuff you hear about future planned movies or a planned Batman movie, all bullshit.

Funny that the Snyder's ignored Nolan for his expertise but use him as a shield for everything else. Deborah has flat out said that when she and Nolan watched Whedon's cut of Justice League, they agreed to never let Zack see it due to it breaking his heart for muh vision.

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Snyder had almost completely unfettered creative control, because wifey backed him up. To the point that Nolan, Warner Bros golden goose was overridden. All the stuff you hear about future planned movies or a planned Batman movie, all bullshit.

Funny that the Snyder's ignored Nolan for his expertise but use him as a shield for everything else. Deborah has flat out said that when she and Nolan watched Whedon's cut of Justice League, they agreed to never let Zack see it due to it breaking his heart for muh vision.

Nolan and goyer fought snyder about snapping zod's neck. Ya know... The team that made warner bros billions with the dark knight trilogy and know this formula.

Snyder famously said he didn't read a lot of comics because they aren't violent enough for him. His office is decorated with humans skulls and axes.

His adopted daughter's favorite song is leonard cohen's 'hallejujah". He is the worst kind of emo fake edgelord ever and should have no career after making that shitty owls movie.

[Guest]

The biggest crime is Junkie XL bringing back that goddamn wailing woman who plagued movie scores for like ten years after Gladiator came out.

[Liar Revealed]

The dead daughter was one of 8 kids Zack Snyder had/adopted from various relationships. Must suck having your dad abandon your mom and be too busy with new families and capeshit to help you with your problems.

Similar situation to The Supreme Gentleman, now that I think about it.

[Lindsay's Liver]

Zack Snyder movies are the cinematic equivalent to Affliction shirts.

[Dehbashi]

Nolan and goyer fought snyder about snapping zod's neck. Ya know... The team that made warner bros billions with the dark knight trilogy and know this formula.

It was always amusing to me how much shit Goyer took for the crappiness of the DCEU even though he has been writing capeshit movies since Blade. It couldn't be bacause Snyder is a hack.

And of course Snyder had the hard on for snapping Zod's neck. The only reason I didn't get mad as others when I saw it was precisely because how Snyder handled Superman and the Kents the whole movie. The whole movie is Jonathan Kent saying fuck people let them die and Superman destroying someone's car due to getting water being poured on him. Also Superman commiting genocide by killing all the fetuses on the ship. And this doesn't even get to all the destruction that he and Zod did in So why would this Superman have a hesitation on killing Zod? He won't. It's shit but consistent shit.