Non-cape tv show

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Seeing how this looks very late 70's / early 80's. it could go either way, really.

[Rushy]

Seeing how this looks very late 70's / early 80's. it could go either way, really.

Mid-60s, actually

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Weird. Wikipedia doesn't seem to have anything on 60's Buck.

Though it might be. I was never really good at telling apart the 70's from the two surrounding decades.

[Rushy]

Weird. Wikipedia doesn't seem to have anything on 60's Buck.

Though it might be. I was never really good at telling apart the 70's from the two surrounding decades.

Oh, Rogers? Yeah, that's from the 79-81.

[rabidtictac]

I never watch tv, but I was flipping stations the other night and one of these small-time tv channels was running 3 hours of babylon 5, of all things.

I forgot how comfy that show can be. It's not as good as TNG or deep space 9, but I think it does handle the military chain of command and polidicks stuff pretty well.

[Keith Chegwin]

It's not as good as deep space 9

See, I must disagree. I was thinking about this yesterday, actually. Despite the CG effects looking really dated, I would say that it's better than DS9 certainly, because DS9 blatantly ripped it off, and perhaps even Star Trek generally. Star Trek, despite being the show about going 'Where no man has gone before', couldn't get into the kinds of areas that Babylon 5 did because it's a big, tentpole multimedia franchise and they've got to keep that shit commercial.

Don't get me wrong, I loove Star Trek. But as a single work I'd say Babylon 5 was better.

[rabidtictac]

I think a lot of the political stuff in DS9 was more biting. Babylon 5 eventually devolved into a big lord of the rings plotline where everyone had to fight ultimate evil. DS9 had the dominion war, but Cardassians were never evil. Jem'hadar were not evil either. In fact, only the founders could be called "evil" and that only in the sense that they were so alien, they felt no compunctions about genocide or violent suppression. Their constant integration and reintegration ensured no radical ideas ever developed. That's why it's the ones who spent so much time apart (Odo) who wound up as radicals. Even Odo was almost subverted by integration.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is it's pretty obvious in DS9 that a lot of the different political parties on the station outright hated each other. In season 1, there's very little respect between Kira and the Bajorans with regard to the Federation. The Bajorans only start to like the feddies when one of them becomes their messiah, lol. And Ducat gave DS9 so much life. He provided a viable alternative to federation philosophy. He was "evil" at the very end, but prior to that he was just some guy who wanted power and didn't like the federation or respect bajorans. He gave evil a very human face, quite unlike the weird space shit in Babylon 5 with the stupid evil alien darklings.

I like babylon 5 but I dunno. Mollari and the psi-cops are fun but the (((high stakes))) battle between good and evil was dumb imo and I really hated that the elven embassador just HAD to fall in love with John Everyman, commander of B5. Sisko's wife in DS9 was just some bitch who hauled cargo.

[Keith Chegwin]

Babylon 5 did all the things you describe. Yes, it did devolve a bit into good guys vs bad guys, there's no denying that. But a lot of that had to do with JMS having to wrap up his plotlines rather quickly in the fourth season because the network Babylon 5 was on was closing down and they weren't sure if the show would get a fifth season. It eventually did but the fifth season, as a result, feels very post script.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is it's pretty obvious in DS9 that a lot of the different political parties on the station outright hated each other.

You had that in Babylon 5 too. The Centauri and the Narns had a total blood feud and the balance of power kept shifting, and the humans and the Minibari had a tenuous alliance at best, seeing as the latter nearly completely wiped out the former in their war.

He gave evil a very human face, quite unlike the weird space shit in Babylon 5 with the stupid evil alien darklings.

I liked the Cthulu monsters and their Jew puppet.

Sisko's wife in DS9 was just some bitch who hauled cargo.

Sinclair's girlfriends (the redhead bitch in the pilot and then the sexy asian bitch) just hauled cargo.

[rabidtictac]

Didn't sinclair end up with the elven princess though?

[Keith Chegwin]

No. Sinclair was Michael O'Hare, the original lead. You're thinking of Sheridan, played by Bruce Boxleitner, who was his more conventional replacement