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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by Dingus Bajingus » Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:16 pm

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The same with French. When I had French in school, I found that aspect easy, despite the genders of things being completely different and just as random. You just develop a feel for it.

I suppose that's harder if it's not a concept one grew up with.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I've just recently started learning German for real, but I took several years of Spanish when I was much younger, so the underlying concept doesn't feel strange to me at all. It does feel a bit awkward for feminine articles to play double-duty as plurals, if I'm embarrassingly honest. Is that why "Mädchen" is a neuter noun, by the way? That happens to be a word that doesn't itself change by quantity, thus "die Mädchen" reads as plural, thus the singular had to get something else?

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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by Kugelfisch » Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:25 pm

It's always "die" in plural. That Mädchen doesn't happen to have a plural version is coincidence and not unusual. Eis, Pizza, Bier, Spargel and so on all don't have a plural version.

So it's not just feminine articles that sometimes don't have a plural.
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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by Dingus Bajingus » Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:36 pm

I think you misread me. I was wondering about the fact that "Mädchen" is neuter, not feminine, despite meaning "girl." If it were feminine, of course, both the singular and plural would be "die Mädchen," so I wonder if it's neuter for the sake of differentiating those. I'm probably just overthinking it, though.

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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by Kugelfisch » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:44 am

Oh. If there is a reason, nobody knows. As I said, there's no rhyme or reason to it. Neither is there in French, to my knowledge.

As a native speaker, I have never thought about the "gender" of an article in the literal sense. It's not helpful to think in that way at all, because it's random.
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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by Dingus Bajingus » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:23 am

Yeah, I usually don't either. Most things don't actually have literal gender, as you say. That one specific case of it just stood out to me bit, since... well, it does.

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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:57 am

Dingus Bajingus wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:16 pm
It does feel a bit awkward for feminine articles to play double-duty as plurals, if I'm embarrassingly honest. Is that why "Mädchen" is a neuter noun, by the way?
Nah, that's just systemic misogyny.

(Or it seems to be a common theme with the "-chen" suffix, which is usually applied to make something sound more cutesy. There's not really a "base" version of Mädchen, though)
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Eis, Pizza, Bier, Spargel and so on all don't have a plural version.
Pizzen and Biere would beg to differ.
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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by Kugelfisch » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:00 am

VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:57 am
Kugelfisch wrote:
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:25 pm
Eis, Pizza, Bier, Spargel and so on all don't have a plural version.
Pizzen and Biere would be to differ.
Well-known idiot identifiers. Don't teach him the German equivalent to "would of".
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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:01 am

It's even worse. According to the Duden you can use both Pizzas and Pizzen.
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Re: Reddit unterwandert?

Post by Kugelfisch » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:12 am

I know. It's a concession to retards. Biere is the worst offender. I'd immediately stop talking to anyone using it.

Oh wait, Pizzen is alright. My bad. I was thinking of Pizzas as the example of retard spelling.

Biere is an abomination, though.
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