China

[Le Redditeur]

The economic argument didn't stop Europe to kill itself because a teenager shot a dude wearing a feathered hat, despite what gay imbeciles like Lord Keynes were predicting.

Now, of course, they all expected the 1914 business to short and painless, and we know for sure nuclear war certainly will not be that. But if push ever comes to shove, don't think that economics are the major factor when deciding to go to war or not. We like to think the CCP leadership would at least be rational enough to not start the apocalypse for ideological reasons, but can we really trust that to be the case?

[Guest]

But can they fire it and have it impact before we fire our entire nuclear stockpile at them?

Yes because we can't see it coming. They could fire a bunch of these targetting our missile sites and we wouldn't know until they'd done it.

There really never has been a "defense" against nukes

There has. This is what has kept other nuclear powers from thinking 'Well, we'll just target all their missile silos and they won't be able to fire back'

If noting else, the US represents a massive pile of natural resources. One which they would lose (along with trillions of dollars of our business) if they nuked us.

They would gladly sacrifice this if it meant world domination. North America is not the only continent in the world that has tons of natural resources

Can you imagine how bad China's economy would tank without us propping it up?

Their economy is already tanking

[veris leta facies]

I really don't think China will ever directly attack the United States. The People's Liberation Army is a joke compared to the US Armed Forces, it's good at keeping Chinese people in line and pulling off shit like Tiananmen square massacre when needed, but waging international wars? Nope. I'm not even sure if they have the ability to launch anything on US soil. If they have, they surely understand what they would get in return. They might take over Taiwan or genocide their Uyghurs, but that's about it. But what they'll do is just like tictac said, they are trying to buy everything possible from the country and they'll do everything they can to weaken the US from inside. The weaker the States get, better for them. They're certainly enjoying now when America is tearing itself to pieces with the BLM and other Marxist horse shit. What the CCP wants is to stay in power, not to start wars they can't win, they aren't complete idiots.

[rabidtictac]

But can they fire it and have it impact before we fire our entire nuclear stockpile at them?

Yes because we can't see it coming. They could fire a bunch of these targetting our missile sites and we wouldn't know until they'd done it.

There really never has been a "defense" against nukes

There has. This is what has kept other nuclear powers from thinking 'Well, we'll just target all their missile silos and they won't be able to fire back'

If noting else, the US represents a massive pile of natural resources. One which they would lose (along with trillions of dollars of our business) if they nuked us.

They would gladly sacrifice this if it meant world domination. North America is not the only continent in the world that has tons of natural resources

Can you imagine how bad China's economy would tank without us propping it up?

Their economy is already tanking

They'd have to hit every single missile site and hope that none of them survived. That means making hundreds, if not thousands of those delivery systems.

The existing defenses would never have protected a country in a total thermonuclear war. Because nukes are so powerful now that only one has to get through.

The US isn't some island. It represents a huge stockpile of both resources and money which are already currently flowing into China. And China would have no certainty of world domination after wiping out America, assuming it could do such a thing. There are other nuclear powers situated closer to China than America which could retaliate. Japan surrendered because we convinced them we had more nukes than the two we dropped in WW2. That kind of bluff doesn't work in the internet age. If they fired only one of those nukes at the US, we'd all know instantly that they only had the one delivery system and they'd be fucked by MAD.

The economy tanking in China is an argument against them attacking us, not for. What happens when the economy tanks totally? Civil unrest. What happens then? Violent revolution. China has already lived through this multiple times. Those in power in China need to keep things relatively stable if they want to retain their power. Their spiffy nuclear delivery system is worthless on their own populace. You act like China has nothing to lose and everything to gain. But the reality is the reverse. They're still a very wealthy and powerful nation and they have everything to lose if they violently attack a powerful militaristic nation they're economically dependent upon. Especially if they do so with nukes, where they stand to gain very little in material wealth or land in the event they do win.

I could see them using the nukes to wave off US or EU intervention when they start invading their neighbors, but not much else.

[Le Redditeur]

Don't forget nuclear subs. They are made specifically to be able to nuke in retaliation in case mainland is attacked. The US has a lot of those patrolling everywhere.

[Kugelfisch]

Attacking a NATO member would be suicide. Plus Russia would chime in as well but not for China.
This shit isn't Fallout. There is no China vs. USA and that's the end of it. Besides, for all the land mass, China's important targets cover very little ground. Glas Shenzhen and China is ultra ruined.

[Guest]

Attacking a NATO member would be suicide

Would it, really? Of 30 member states only two of them are nuclear capable and pretty much all of them are dependent on the US for support. You yourself are well aware that the Bundeswehr are fucking useless. If America gets taken out, what the fuck's Germany gonna do in retaliation?

[Kugelfisch]

First, sending a nuke would trigger MAD immediately. Unlikely enough that they hit every silo in the USA, even less that they hit France as well and all those subs.
Second, as I've said, Russia would chime in. A bordering nation starts nuclear aggression? You best believe they would hammer the Chinks and annex that shit.

Lastly, China's military is a fucking joke. So they have a rocket but all their other shit is knockoff Soviet era trash or new, cheap plastic rifles that wouldn't be fit as gimmicks for a Mickey Mouse magazine.
Forget the numbers as well. Their soldiers would capitulate in masses very quickly as soon as the first bomb hits their soil.

[RedLine]

Send all the other Asians into extinction and wait for Americans to die of diabetes.

[Kugelfisch]

Speaking of yellow subhumans, just give Japan the go signal and they would be all over China.
They've got a massive surplus of suicidal losers just waiting for something to die for.