Russia

[Le Redditeur]

Which is completely irrelevant. the fact that America has a vast propaganda machine to sell its wars to the sheep and Russia is, for some reason, refusing to even fight the propaganda war doesn't change the fact that, by every objective metric, one is no worse than the other

But there is. America's war were sold to the public as "war on terror", which is on a very surface level a cause that can rally people's sympathies: terrorism is, in theory, a threat to every civilized nation. Russia's war is sold on the basis of a possible threat in the future by a country that is half Russian itself - that's why terms like "brothers' war" and "kindred war" are thrown in sometimes by the propaganda machine. Russia isn't even trying to win the global propaganda war because they know it's a lost battle, they simply can't find a justification that would be seen favorably by the global public opinion. That's why the American and EU glowies are having a field day with it.

I'm not saying I believe for a second in the bushite-obamite justifications for their invasions and drone-bombing of brown people's weddings. What I'm saying is that they could sell it to the public opinion much more favorably. Bush's team was, in that regard, Machiavellian geniuses - not only they sold his petty Iraqi war as a "war on terror", they also devised the most unpatriotic set of laws that spit in the Bill of Rights and the American values, and had the schutzpah to call it "The Patriot Act". Brandon only wishes he could sell such bullshit, despite having the lugenpresse on his side (which Bush definitely didn't have besides the usual Fox sycophants).

This is just a reverse Cuban crisis if you want to break the situation down. NATO inducting Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia was pushing it, Ukraine would put NATO missals on Moscow's doorstep.

There's an important difference for optics: Cuba already had nukes stationed on its soil when the US decided to blockade "quarantine" it. Russia is currently reacting on the possibility of missiles being put on Ukraine. Which is OK for them to be worried about, but it isn't enough to justify a full scale invasion.

[RAPEMAN]

There's an important difference for optics: Cuba already had nukes stationed on its soil when the US decided to blockade "quarantine" it. Russia is currently reacting on the possibility of missiles being put on Ukraine. Which is OK for them to be worried about, but it isn't enough to justify a full scale invasion.

No it is definitely not. But I honestly can't help but think this was a classic American move to stir the pot. After a century of America committing proxy wars I can't help but put some blame on the west for poking the bear. Ukraine should have remained a neutral state, a divider between the east and the west and nato should never have been an option for former Russian buffer states. This whole situation could have been avoided. Fuck Russia, Fuck NATO and fuck that dope "elected" president Volodymyr Zelenskyy.



Back peddling.

[Le Redditeur]

I hope he was a good comedian at least, because if not, then definitely the Ukrainians threw their future in the hands of the literal real-life incarnation of Krusty: Jewish, unfunny comedian AND a sellout.

[McGinnis]

There's an important difference for optics: Cuba already had nukes stationed on its soil when the US decided to blockade "quarantine" it.

They didn't. Cubans had nothing usable. They were building missile sites which could have been used to launch a nuclear strike, which is why the blockade. To stop delivery of the actual warheads.

Which is OK for them to be worried about, but it isn't enough to justify a full scale invasion.

This isn't a full scale invasion. Not under international law

I hope he was a good comedian at least, because if not, then definitely the Ukrainians threw their future in the hands of the literal real-life incarnation of Krusty.

The Ukrainian people really didn't have any say in the matter. Sucks, but we don't get to pick our leaders either

[Le Redditeur]

They didn't. Cubans had nothing usable. They were building missile sites which could have been used to launch a nuclear strike, which is why the blockade. To stop delivery of the actual warheads.

Same difference in this regard. There was already something physically built in Cuba, with more to come, not just the future possibility of nukes being posted there. If anything, Bay of Pigs would be a better parallel: the US trying to remove the Soviet-aligned puppet from their own backyard because they feared something like that could happened. If only the Russians had just armed a bunch of drunkards from Donetsk instead of actually committing their troops...

This isn't a full scale invasion. Not under international law

Ok, call it a "limited scope invasion" if that's the more precise term to describe it, but nonetheless, it's still an invasion.

The Ukrainian people really didn't have any say in the matter. Sucks, but we don't get to pick our leaders either

Do you really believe they rather have a Russian puppet in charge instead? Ukrainians probably thought Zelensky would be something different from the usual crop of corrupt Biden-dealing crooks, since he wasn't a career politician and all that. Unfortunately, the only different guy to kinda work out in the end was Trump, and even so, his government had severe flaws. Every "outsider" elected anywhere was a huge disappointment.

[McGinnis]

Same difference in this regard. There was already something physically built in Cuba, with more to come, not just the future possibility of nukes being posted there.

Firstly, that's semantics and secondly, Ukraine do already have the facilities. Ukraine used to be the world's third largest nuclear power after the Soviet Union collapsed, because they had a lot of Russia's missiles, and the facilities are still intact. They could easily re-activate them if they got in new warheads, which they would do if they were a NATO member

If anything, Bay of Pigs would be a better parallel

I said the situation was Cuba. I didn't say that it was only Cuban Missile Crisis, although it certainly is Cuban Missile Crisis, despite your protests

Do you really believe they rather have a Russian puppet in charge instead?

Did I say that?

Ukrainians probably thought Zelensky would be something different from the usual crop of corrupt Biden-dealing crooks, since he wasn't a career politician and all that. Unfortunately, the only different guy to kinda work out in the end was Trump, and even so, his government had severe flaws. Every "outsider" elected anywhere was a huge disappointment.

Zelensky was not an outsider. His campaign was massively astroturfed. He's funded by the same guy who funds Azov.

[AdorableOtter]

tl;dw Reddit/TikTok/Instagram superheros are dying in Ukraine

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This guy's story isn't confirmed, but other media outlets are reporting similar stories from different people, I think it's safe to say Ukrainian Military is getting buttfacked pretty fucking hard. I wonder if there is enough time for Zelensky (Kolomoyskyi) & friends to pull off some false flag shit (especially chemical fart attack) to frame Russia, they are losing so bad/fast.

[McGinnis]

I wonder if there is enough time for Zelensky (Kolomoyskyi) & friends to pull off some false flag shit (especially chemical fart attack) to frame Russia, they are losing so bad/fast.

They've been hinting at it for a while. The neocons in the US are also itching for reasons to get involved

[Le Redditeur]

tl;dw Reddit/TikTok/Instagram superheros are dying in Ukraine

Shocking!

[McGinnis]

If you're a foreign volunteer in Ukraine, you are more useful to the Ukrainian government dead than alive. Dead Americans means they can persuade Dementia Joe to finally give them their coveted no-fly zone. Sure, that would also mean WWIII and the annihilation of us all, but Zelensky doesn't care. Anything to save his skin