Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

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Post by Guest » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:20 pm

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Why did everyone in the 2004 series look like a total gaywad?
They wanted to avoid comparisons with the vastly superior B:TAS (because they wouldn't stack to up them)

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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:36 pm

They didn't even include Scarecrow because TAS already had all the Scarecrow designs you could possibly ask for.
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(That first Scarecrow was off-model a lot. At least once it looked like something straight out of Animaniacs)
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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by Guest » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:51 pm

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They didn't even include Scarecrow
They didn't include the Scarecrow because Nolan had already used him and the Bat Embargo prevented them from also using him.
Timm also wanted to use the Scarecrow for JLU because he was part of the Legion of Doom, but Warners said no

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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:53 pm

Was there ever a time when Warner didn't have retarded capeshit policies?
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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

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Was there ever a time when Warner didn't have retarded capeshit policies?
No, but it wasn't completely retarded. They were probably thinking that they'd have the brand streamlined for merchandising purposes. Why would you, as a kid, buy a Batman Begins Scarecrow action figure or even a The Batman Scarecrow action figure when you can buy a much cooler DCAU Scarecrow action figure?

Of course the rules governing the Bat-Embargo were pretty fucking stupid and arbitrary and part of the reason why a lot of people ended up hating The Batman. Because of that show, DCAU Joker and other big name Batman villains couldn't appear on JLU. Timm and Co even had to fight a bit to let them use Batman, can you imagine?

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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by Le Redditeur » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:06 am

That only happens because they're retooling the same goddamn boring capeshitter again and again. How about you create new characters and new villains so you won't need to keep an autistic schedule of who can use what when and where? Oh yeah, that's the Western comics industry, where zero effort is put on anything and rehashing the same 80 years old property is seen as natural.

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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:49 am

Tokushit triumphs once again.
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VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
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Was there ever a time when Warner didn't have retarded capeshit policies?
No, but it wasn't completely retarded. They were probably thinking that they'd have the brand streamlined for merchandising purposes. Why would you, as a kid, buy a Batman Begins Scarecrow action figure or even a The Batman Scarecrow action figure when you can buy a much cooler DCAU Scarecrow action figure?
Yeah, but at the same time you could buy Lex Luthor figures in Smallville, Superman Returns and DCAU flavor.

(Though that might actually just be because Lex was like the only major Super villain normies actually knew for the longest time.)
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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by Guest » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:55 am

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Yeah, but at the same time you could buy Lex Luthor figures in Smallville, Superman Returns and DCAU flavor.
Warners don't care about Superman. Just look at the quality of Returns or the general state of the character in more recent years. Batman on the other hand is their crown jewel most prized possession

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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:40 am

It's also easier to make Batman live-action movies. Superman's power level is so high that he basically requires stupid DBZ battles, which wasn't technically feasible for the longest time.
And while Batman's core rogues' gallery is well-known, Superman adaptations have a tendency of just giving him Lex Luthor or some other evil businessman/scientist.
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Re: Capeshit thread (comics and movies)

Post by Guest » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:45 pm

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Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:40 am
Superman's power level is so high that he basically requires stupid DBZ battles, which wasn't technically feasible for the longest time.
They made two decent Superman movies, the first of which is more-or-less the blueprint for all the capeshit films that followed, without expensive CGI special effects that permeate all film-making now.

Their problem is they don't know what to do with him. They don't know how to write the character. They've also got Siegel's estate on their ass constantly with legal battles over ownership of the character, which they don't have with Batman because Bob Kane took all the credit and then signed over all the rights in exchange for a reasonable financial settlement. Which is ironic, actually, because the reason Superman was the first DC character to be merchandised and the reason Superman got the Fleischer cartoons and his own radio show and all that, and Batman didn't, was that DC pretty much swindled the rights to Superman from Siegel and Schuster and gave them nothing in return, whereas Bob Kane was too smart for his own good and asked for a big cut of anything they made featuring Batman. It's only in the 60s when they renegotiated his contract that stuff like the Adam West series could be made.

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