Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

[Kugelfisch]

Shit, even TNG has the two first seasons which aren't all that good. Plenty of people don't even know Riker didn't have a beard initially because the first season was not even put into syndication in a lot of places. Much like how you'll see the same old Simpsons episodes get aired all the time but the newer shit gers aired once and never again.

Even TOS has real stinkers, which hurts extra hard as there aren't a lot of episodes in the first place.
Almost all ST vidya is shit. Straight up. But you'll survive.

Autism is massively strong. But you can't even begin to tell me that even a sizeable population of the Pissney Soy Wars fans have autism. That's just not it. It's fandom faggotry and it's pure cancer.

[CuckTurdginson]

I imagine Jizzney Wars is less traumatizing than current year Star Trek - bc SW (w the exception of Empire and Gendys Clone Wars) - has never not been a clusterfuck and kind of dumb. That at least is consistent - I can’t imagine being someone who grew up with OG Trek watching - like Into Darkness or Discovery, it would seem really jarring in a bad way

[Kugelfisch]

The ST movies have mostly always been hated. WoK obviously is great and a few earlier ones were alright but put into the "not actual ST but at least not fucking garbage" category.
But seeing shit Trek was nothing new. So the movies weren't that big of a hit. One had plausible deniability as it was a movie, not the actual Trek. But you didn't see soyboys defend Insurrection or crying tears of joy about some trailer for the next shit movie where Picard gets to drive a sand buggy because the gay British actor is some Commiefornia faggot rhat has to insert his own interests into a role it doesn't fit into.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

The main problem with ST movies is that most try to be action movies, which heavily limits what kind of Trek tale you can tell.
Since a lot of bad action ST movies (including all of the reboot ones) desparately try to steal from WoK, you're even more limited since they keep resorting to some kind of revenge story.
And then hack writers keep giving the bad guys some fuckhuge ship that dwarfs the Enterprise, since they don't know any other way to make space combat exciting (when the WoK they so desparately want to recreate didn't do that at all).

Autism, bro. Pretty obvious. Same reason sonic fans can't move on. Sonic has maybe 4 good games and they're all 2d platformers from the genesis and mega cd days. Everything else sucks except Mania which is more like a fan project sega threw money at.. But sonic fans remain sonic fans.

Some people just love to get too invested in some IP, building their entire hobby and online presence around it.

[rabidtictac]

There are other problems with the Star Trek movies. I feel much of the vitality of the original series was lost when the actors aged. The way the films are shot, they look different and feel different from the show. Then there's the obvious tonal whiplash with later star trek movies that tried too hard to be action fantasy blockbusters. Star Trek has always been a show of clashing ideas. OG Trek pulled off the clashing ideas concept the most successfully overall. Thanks to some decent action set-pieces mixed with cerebral writing. TNG was entirely a show about talking heads and failed hilariously whenever they tried to introduce action. Their fight choreography was laughable. DS9 was again another talking head show. Fight choreography in DS9 was better but still usually came across as rather nonsensical and boiled down to someone shooting a gun or an overpowered alien lamping somebody from behind.

I forgot to mention comedy. Comedy is one of those elements that's hard to get right. OG Trek comedy was mostly a bit of a sly wink, a nod, some timely quip about personnel differences. A bit of levity to take the edge off a tense confrontation was all you needed. Puts a nice cap on the episode and fades you to black. TNG and DS9 introduced a lot more overt comedic relief characters and they all sucked. Quark from DS9 probably sucked the least but he still sucked at times. There are some episodes of DS9 that give me a real "mahvul superheroes" vibe, which is never good. Shitty comedy mixed with shitty action and shitty special effects.

The OG Trek episodes that were bad were bad mostly because of elements from the 1960s that haven't aged well. That's my opinion anyway. And sometimes the lack of budget made set pieces silly which were intended to be taken seriously. I think many of those scenes would play very differently to a modern audience if they had modern special effects, or if the modern viewing audience could view them in the context of special effects in the era.

I dunno man. Most of Star Trek is awful and even the good stuff has bad parts, but I still feel like OG Trek has more bright spots to it than most Star Wars bullshit. Certainly if we count runtime then that's the case vs Star Wars. Star Wars has maybe 4-5 hours of movie content that's worth watching. The rest is garbage.

[RedLine]

Close combat in Both ST and SW is terrible. In ST and the OT it is clunky and wooden while in the prequel and Disney SW films it is so choreographed they look like dance routines. Having machines and ships do the fighting is the best option but if the budget doesn't allow it then they should at least use laser guns or something instead of having Levar Burton try to look like a credible fighter.

Occasionally the acting in OG Trek, TNG and DS9 rose to be above average but in general it was shit across both franchises as well.

I think the popularity of both comes from aesthetics.

[CuckTurdginson]

Calling the majority of Trek acting shit is pretty dramatic - the majority of the TNG cast works and they’re why the first two seasons aren’t solid 1 out of 10s and merely are kind of boring.

[RedLine]

None of the women on TNG were good. And for every good scene 90s Patrick Stewart pulled off how many shit ones from another series or film offset it?

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Close combat in Both ST and SW is terrible.

I dunno what you're talking about.

[Gendo's Ocular Dickhole]

Magnifique.