Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Guest » Sat May 15, 2021 6:48 am

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Then why did he surround himself with yes men?
Why would you hire people to fight against you?

Everybody sucks Gary Kurtz's dick, but it's not like he was constantly shooting down bad ideas, plus he got fired because he let Empire go massively over budget. OMG, master producer!

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sat May 15, 2021 6:53 am

You generally try to hire people due to their expertise, so they can give you valuable input and warn you if you become too autistic.
I don't think anyone at the set of Episde 1 ever challenged his decisions, which is why the movie feels like it's based on the first draft.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by jpakke » Sat May 15, 2021 9:29 am

Lucas actually did good job on American Graffiti, and it is mostly character driven film. I remember watching the docu from the dvd where actors said that Lucas kept them doing retakes with some scenes till they screwed up something or flubbed their lines, and then used those takes, so the film would feel more natural. I don't think talentless film maker would do that, at least not as effectively.

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Guest » Sat May 15, 2021 3:26 pm

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Fri May 14, 2021 9:07 pm
Or else he should have stuck to producing. His producer credits are much better, overall and much more accomplished, than his directing credits.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Liar Revealed » Sat May 15, 2021 3:49 pm

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In his defense, he tried to get others to write and direct the prequels but everyone turned him down.
Nobody wanted to work with him because he was also a shit producer. He was bossy and micromanaged every director he ever worked with. He hypocritically denied these directors their creative freedom while demanding that for himself. We've heard stories about George's notes: "Make him sound like Truman Capote", "change the name of that character to my son's name", "Call the villain Darth Icky", and that probably only scratches the surface.

Ron Howard was one of those guys that directed for George once for Willow and refused to direct any prequels for George. He only came back to Star Wars after George had gone.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Guest » Sat May 15, 2021 11:47 pm

VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 6:53 am
You generally try to hire people due to their expertise, so they can give you valuable input and warn you if you become too autistic.
Yes but, even if you set out to find people like this, once you become a Lucas or once you become a Peter Jackson or whoever and you've got a certain amount of proven success, even competent people will hesitate to second guess you because they think 'Well, that's not the way I would have done it, but clearly this guy knows what he's talking about so I'll let him get on with it'

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Guest » Sat May 15, 2021 11:59 pm

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Sat May 15, 2021 3:49 pm
Nobody wanted to work with him because he was also a shit producer. He was bossy and micromanaged every director he ever worked with. He hypocritically denied these directors their creative freedom while demanding that for himself.
It's not hypocritical at all. Lucas hires you to direct a movie, you've been hired basically to direct his movie. This is why David Lynch didn't work with him.

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by TheManWithNoPlan » Sun May 16, 2021 8:30 am

Hypocritical because George Lucas came from New Hollywood which was literally a movement where directors fought against the studios for their creative vision.

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Guest » Sun May 16, 2021 8:33 am

Yeah, for THEIR visions. Not other people's visions. Just theirs.

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Liar Revealed » Sun May 16, 2021 2:45 pm

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Sat May 15, 2021 11:59 pm
Liar Revealed wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 3:49 pm
Nobody wanted to work with him because he was also a shit producer. He was bossy and micromanaged every director he ever worked with. He hypocritically denied these directors their creative freedom while demanding that for himself.
It's not hypocritical at all. Lucas hires you to direct a movie, you've been hired basically to direct his movie. This is why David Lynch didn't work with him.
No. If George wanted creative control, he should have directed those movies himself. But he was too lazy.

Spielberg made the same mistake by being a control freak on Poltergeist. But at least Spielberg admitted he had made a mistake by overstepping Tobe Hooper and didn't do it again after that.
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