Fighting Games

[rabidtictac]

King doesn't have the armor king stuff that I really want though, like a demon paw, wind god fist and wavedash mixup. That's why I play Jin instead of King in games where I can't use Armor King.

[Kugelfisch]

I guess we'll just see. I think I'll fully go with Heihachi for now. I've been playing him the most up until now and seeing how he got hugely buffed I think I can live with being a Michima scrub that's too bad getting electrics reliably.
I'll keep practising them, though. It has the added benefit of making one absurdly good at DPs. I'm confident that I can do 100 in a row drunk.

[rabidtictac]

Yeah, practicing mishima stuff is a good way to learn your dp motions. I don't remember all of heihachi's top moves by name but d1, df1, db2, f3, ws1 are good.

[Kugelfisch]

He's actually got a lot of good stuff. The only thing lacking really was the combo game. It's less that he was ever bad and more that Kazuja and Dickhead Jin were plain better. I didn't like to play them as much, though. I'll greatfully take that buff. Heihachi ought to be really good in what may be his last game.

It seems like they broke Lars again. 12 Frame easy punish into a massive combo. I doubt that'll last long. They can't seem to find the sweetspot with the boy.

Ling got clobbered hard with the nerf hammer. She got a few nerfs to herself but if you scroll through change lists of most characters you'll notice that loads of hitboxes of several moves got extended a bit downward. For some it'll be for combos but most of that shit is likely to fuck with her phoenix stance. I'll try it out later but I think Heihachi can straight up uppercut the THOT out of her groundsniffer stance.

[rabidtictac]

Time for the dragunov tier whores to jump on lars.

[Kugelfisch]

A hotfix is already inbound and Lars is sure to get whacked. Lars mains are already prepared to get back into their dumpster.

[rabidtictac]

So who do you think will be the new dragunov? Bryan got hit with some small nerfs and buffs and seems fine honestly. Making his taunt game weaker hurts him but he has some other buffs and at least one of them really impressed me. I think it was b1 being even more plus. Bryan loves fucking spamming b1. I'd rather have a buffed b1 than improved taunt jet upper.

It sounds like Hwo got buffed to shit, Gigas is much better and I believe someone said Claudio was improved? I could see tier whores and spammers jumping on Hwo or Claudio if they're massively buffed. Hwo has always been a character like Eddy that you see a lot of spammers use.

[Kugelfisch]

That's hard to say this early. If you listen to Gigas mains he's supposedly even worse now but I guess we'll have to wait for them to adapt. I don't expect Gigas ending up in anything but lower mid tier.
King, in my opinion, stands where he was before. He's strong as shit, he's King, he does his thing and the changes didn't really make him any better or worse in the grand scheme of things.
Brian will also stay where he is. Knee will rock shit with him, nobody else of note will make him work because he's just too complicated, really.
Hwo got buffed and Speedkicks will love this season but he's not easy to get into and is still one of those matchup characters where the burden is on the opponent. I don't see Dragqueens switching to him.
Claudio seems like the go to character. Dragunov tier fags love their simple character and Claudio is mega simple. Expect to see many more Claudios. Then again, his godmode hopkick got nerfed.

My expectation is that you won't see any less of Deviljho Jin, less Dragunov, more Claudio, some Heihachi and maybe a Jack less.
The secret winner is Lee. You'll see many more of those guys, since he got buffed hard! Let's not forget the newcomer Lei, who will see top level tournament play as well, being a legacy character that can be tricky and thus useful for counterpicks at least.


I've been messing around a lot in training mode. I really like and always liked Heihachi and Miguel. I'm slightly okay with both. I tried out several other characters to see what the changes did as well. I've just been in the lab with King and I've got to be honest with myself and admit that I'll likely always be a King main.

I don't know what it is but I'm by far at my best with King. Combos, punishes, general awareness what moves to use, all not great but still the best with King. He's the only character that feels natural to me.
I think I'm too old to really learn any new characters and best settle with the character I've played since T2. Well over 50% of his move list comes natural to me. I don't need to think as much what to use since I've been doing most of the shit for almost 20 years now on and off.
I guess Yoshimitsu would be my secondary if he wasn't so different from T3 by now.

I've had a similar character crisis in Sm4sh with King Dedede but for different reasons. I've played about as much Mewtwo, a massive tier difference, but no character but Dedede ever felt natural to me. In Tekken, I feel good with Heihachi, better than with most of the cast, also really good with Miguel but King feels like coming home from a long day of work.

[rabidtictac]

I like Miguel a lot. But when it comes to feeling natural, Armor King and Jin just feel right for me. There's a fighting game saying that a character "fits your hands." I saw it in some tourneyfag video about fightan that probably got linked here too. Anyway, that's very true. But Miguel is a great character. He's fundamental Tekken at its core. You really can't get any more Tekken than Miguel. He has reasonably simple inputs and plays a basic game of Tekken with solid tools. He doesn't have any gay stance bullshit to learn except his "you better not mess with me" lean. Which isn't that big a deal tbh since everyone I know only transitions to it out of certain moves. That's kind of like saying Armor King has a stance because you can do the backturn flip kick thing for Oki when the opponent is down. And you don't need to learn instant electrics or any crazy taunt jet upper weird shit to play him and do well. If you can play Tekken, you can play Miguel.

Miguel is like Dragunov used to be before Drag got buffed to fuck. And even though d2 is nerfed (rightfully), I feel like he probably could have caught more nerfs. Dragunov is not a character archetype who should be top tier. He should be, like Miguel, a solid mid tier. I think Miguel has been mid tier in every Tekken, although I might be wrong.

[Kugelfisch]

Miguel has always been solid mid. He has a stance but almost everything you'd ever do can go into his stance by holding forward and even that mostly goes back into his stance if you want to. It's optional stuff that's almost always available to you. Besides that, I really like his character design of untrained, strong, pissed off MoFo with an attitude on a mission. He's Benicio del Toro in Sicario but more European.

But my true comfort zone is King. Kinda funny, how I seem to be drawn to characters with King in their names. They are also both mostly grapplers with variety.