Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Guest » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:03 pm

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It always raises my hackles a bit when people claim that AVGN invented angry reviewing. He didn't. He was just the first to do it on YouTube.
Just try to explain to a soyboy that there was a time before YouTube.
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Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:52 pm
In the sense that he was the one everyone tried to ape, giving birth to the Great Reviewer Plague, then yeah, you're right. That's part of my point.
As you say, people used to have to incur whatever cost there was to maintaining a website; they spent money on it (unless they were just using Freewebs or some shit), because it was a fucking hobby, and they did it because they thought it was fun, not because they saw a low-effort, low-barrier-of-entry route to marginal fame and fortune. And yeah, you shill your dumb little personal website to some people you know. Maybe they tell other people about it, maybe traffic starts coming in via word-of-mouth or whatever. Maybe it doesn't. But it doesn't fucking matter. Because it's just a cheap little website, and it's a fucking hobby, not muh job muh algorithm ect.
Would you argue Doge Walker and his TGWTG/CA had a hand in killing the Internet and turned it into the cancer it is now?

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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Le Redditeur » Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:44 pm

Not really. Doge wasn't THAT popular outside BLIP BLIP BLIP, and the others? Literal nobodies.

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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Dingus Bajingus » Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:46 pm

Only in the same way AVGN did. Say what you will about Doug's earlier stuff pinching from Jimmy's style (I don't even really agree, but whatever), but the two of them were also just doing it for funsies at first, so I've a good bit less vitriol for them. The folks I really can't stand are the dozens upon dozens of copycats who only started doing it because they saw it as a low-effort gravy train they could cash in on. The same ones who are still whining about how underappreciated and underpaid they think "content creators" are to this very day.

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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Kugelfisch » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:19 am

Hardly. Doge just tried to stay around on YT, who pulled most of his videos. He used to have one account per NC episode because they got struck down for copyright.
He m9ved to Blip at first because they didn't care for the DCMA shit.

Making money just came with it, which was obviously a great deal for him.
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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Newhalf » Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:16 am

Stick fights, now that takes me back. My interweb adolescence was defined a lot by ole Newgrounds, probably not surprising. It really was "everything for everyone by everyone" (or whatever the actual tagline was) no matter how crappy or "offensive" it may have been. Pretty sure it's nothing like that anymore but I never checked.
That's why today's extremely sanitized internet is so strange to me.. It used to be the place to go to see extremes, so to say. Family friendly shit was TV.
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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Poonoo » Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:53 am

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That's why today's extremely sanitized internet is so strange to me.. It used to be the place to go to see extremes, so to say. Family friendly shit was TV.
Exactly, advertising ruined the internet and turned it into TV. When the tech nerds redesign how newer alt tech sites work they should all rely entirely on crowd funding and never rely on ads ever again.
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Nobody gives a shit about the 2000's from what I hear.
It was a weird non-decade. The early years were just the 90s dying a slow death and then it turned into this awful, bland social media era that is still ongoing.

For all intents and purposes, you're experiencing the late 00s right now, just with continuously worse entertainment and more capable but also less exciting technology.
Yeah this, and that is why the internet prior to 2007 was so much better despite the shittier tech. It was pretty much late 90s internet with faster speeds for videos longer than 30 seconds rather than relying on flash animations to bypass the slow speeds. It was the wild west and the dotcom bubble initially scared too many people away from corporatising it until later.

It reminds me of that South Park episode with the "Internet Stars". They made a point that at the time the internet didn't have things set up where you could monetise being internet famous, a few years later that changed and the internet turned into the cancer it is today.
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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by rabidtictac » Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:41 pm

The ads are the real difference between internet then and now. Sure you'd see ads out the ass on old internet... If you were browsing sketch-ass porn websites with no adblocker. But normal websites where people went to do things and spend money didn't have the kind of ad spam we get now. Gifs and pop-ups did exist, but you wouldn't see that shit on fucking YouTube or a reputable imageboard. Auction websites such as Half.com had no ads. Even the various video host alternatives to jewtube weren't nearly as unusable back then as they are now. Ad density has gone up tenfold, maybe more, from what it was back then.

Of course, none of this matters if you have a good adblocker that blocks everything... Well, except for websites that detect adblockers and gate their content. Which is fine, honestly, since websites that do that are shit anyways. But it didn't use to be the case. Used to be, you could read full news articles with your adblock enabled. The internet is borderline unusable if you don't have adblock (such as when browsing on a device.)

And everything was shared. The internet had a culture of sharing. Share music. Share movies. Share games. Share books. Share anything you want to share with anyone you want to share it with. The dark side of that is obviously the super illegal shit (such as cp), but was it really so bad for roms of old-ass bideo james to be available? What about music that was old a generation before the internet came along? Did VEVO really need a cut?

Sure, sharing became a problem when people were sharing shit that had just been released. But that all still happens! It's just less available to normies.

Old internet culture was all about putting what you have onto the internet to show to whoever wanted to see it. Whether that was entertainment, your opinion, your interests, whatever! No ads, no profit motive. Just people sharing things that were important to them. People were brought together and formed communities on websites like youtube based on nothing more than a common hobby they enjoyed sharing with others. That can theoretically still happen today, but the well has been poisoned in so many ways by advertising, shilling, political scheming and disingenuous fuckers.
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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Poonoo » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:48 pm

rabidtictac wrote:
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disingenuous fuckers.
That is the difference between old internet and current internet. Old internet was way more genuine even if it wasn't perfect, but once money came into the picture greedy fake fucks came in and fucked up the culture. I am far from anti-capitalist but I can't deny that the allure of money fucked up the internet and attracted grifting scumbags.

Youtube saw this decline happen so fucking fast the moment they introduced the partner program, it was instantaneous. Fake fucks like iJustine and Shane Dawson popped up out of nowhere and chased views, vloggers were always shallow, vapid idiots but it was more about them making friends and talking to people because they had none in real life. When the money came, fuckers were uploading 3 minute videos about nothing daily to get as much subs as possible. Archfiend may have been an obnoxious douchebag but the rise of his channel was him documenting the decline of old youtube.

And now you have fuckers making videos 10 minutes long when they could be 2 minutes because youtube pays more ad revenue that way. You also have a lot of long as fuck videos from pretentious analysis channels that could be half the length but they get paid in retention. So many cunts are adjusting their content solely based on ad payouts rather than being legit.
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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by Newhalf » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:00 pm

Youtube is certainly the best mirror of the decline.
Try finding a channel where someone doesn't aggressively shill sponsors, patreon and has obscene amounts of adbreaks. Other channels still exist but are buried deep in obscurity. There's not much money in some yokel's passion project that was only created to make others smile.
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Re: Is your footprint of Web 1.0 still there?

Post by ban » Mon Sep 06, 2021 2:01 pm

The old internet reflected society a bit as well, despite being more closed off from the world and society was theoretically more uptight, the people were far more honest, far more genuine in their actions yet the moment social media and other grifts came to place, we have exactly what you describe Poonoo. Not only that, look at how the average Jon Q and Jane Smith act around you in the streets these days, age and creed don't matter, they have the same behaviour that's influenced by that kind of cancer and it leads them to be shitty in real life just because they are shitty online and surprisingly, the same thing vice versa. And that reflects in the content that is consumed and the content the people make on all those websites. Shallow, long, devoid of substance and any passion. Just the most sterile and seemingly attractive package that is meant to attract money.
Poonoo wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:53 am
Newhalf wrote:
Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:16 am
That's why today's extremely sanitized internet is so strange to me.. It used to be the place to go to see extremes, so to say. Family friendly shit was TV.
Exactly, advertising ruined the internet and turned it into TV. When the tech nerds redesign how newer alt tech sites work they should all rely entirely on crowd funding and never rely on ads ever again.
Kugelfisch wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:47 am
Moe Bitches wrote:
Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:29 am
Nobody gives a shit about the 2000's from what I hear.
It was a weird non-decade. The early years were just the 90s dying a slow death and then it turned into this awful, bland social media era that is still ongoing.

For all intents and purposes, you're experiencing the late 00s right now, just with continuously worse entertainment and more capable but also less exciting technology.
Yeah this, and that is why the internet prior to 2007 was so much better despite the shittier tech. It was pretty much late 90s internet with faster speeds for videos longer than 30 seconds rather than relying on flash animations to bypass the slow speeds. It was the wild west and the dotcom bubble initially scared too many people away from corporatising it until later.

It reminds me of that South Park episode with the "Internet Stars". They made a point that at the time the internet didn't have things set up where you could monetise being internet famous, a few years later that changed and the internet turned into the cancer it is today.
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Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:41 pm
And everything was shared. The internet had a culture of sharing. Share music. Share movies. Share games. Share books. Share anything you want to share with anyone you want to share it with. The dark side of that is obviously the super illegal shit (such as cp), but was it really so bad for roms of old-ass bideo james to be available? What about music that was old a generation before the internet came along? Did VEVO really need a cut?
Even back then, you really had to be looking out for CP to get it. I mean how many of us used Limewire and Kazaa back in the day to dl some animus or the latest snes rom after ZSNES got its latest update? Heck, how many were dl-ing music as well and they would sometimes get a video that was, say, Lisa Sparxxx getting penetrated and creampied by 500 guys or whatever the latest porn movie circa 2003 was about. :lol: And even then, you could tell something was off by looking at the file name and file size while dl-ing the thing in Limewire, only normies complained about that stuff because they were as tech iliterate back then as they are now. Heck, they might be far more tech illiterate now than compared to back then. :roll:
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Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:41 pm
Old internet culture was all about putting what you have onto the internet to show to whoever wanted to see it. Whether that was entertainment, your opinion, your interests, whatever! No ads, no profit motive. Just people sharing things that were important to them. People were brought together and formed communities on websites like youtube based on nothing more than a common hobby they enjoyed sharing with others. That can theoretically still happen today, but the well has been poisoned in so many ways by advertising, shilling, political scheming and disingenuous fuckers.
That's a fucking pipe dream dude, give it up. The normalfags need a very large event to make them forget what's happening to the net now in order to reset their brains and try again from scratch. Whether that's a new kind of social interfacing, new tech that changes their perception, I don't know. But right now it's not gonna happen. Even the nip imageboards are poisoned as fuck.
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