Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Guest » Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:39 pm

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>Hating on Predator 2
Fucking pleb
>Unironically liking Lethal Weapon vs Predator
Thank you, guest, for stopping by to regale us with your shitty tastes
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Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:58 pm
It's true, though. T2's storyline makes no sense.
In what way did T2 not make sense, you contrarian furry faggot?
Someone is not aware Predator 2 was edited 23 times nor has seen a earlier cut i see

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Rushy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:52 pm

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Probably some retcon to allow for another sequel. But is it really a time loop, or did the salvage of the T-800 parts just accelerate everything and make the future worse? Any maybe this whole time travel isn't quite as accurate as expected.

Now where things get stupid is T3, where it is revealed that the future is in fact set in stone and the entirety of T2 was effectively a waste of time.
That movie still had perks though, like Momma Terminator and the scene where Arnold's being corrupted(which is the best acting he ever did in the franchise).

Then Salvation is just boring trash and Genisys is legit one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Guest » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:31 pm

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All monster movies are shit, including the first Predator. There are no exceptions.
The Giant Claw is kino of the highest caliber.
The giant claw is on the surface what all monster movies are underneath-horse shit for mentally retarded children.

King Kong, Alien, Predator, The Thing, Jaws, Godzilla, Jurassic Park, that faggy black and white Frankenstein Dracula Werewolf shit. Scratch the cheap paint of flashy effects and critical acclaim and you'll find a googly eyed vulture puppets menacing actors so bad they couldn't get jobs in porn.

Monster movies are the absolute lowest subgenera of film in existence. Disney Star Wars have more value.

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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Kugelfisch » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:37 pm

It's time to fuck off back to /tv/, you tryhard.
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Probably some retcon to allow for another sequel. But is it really a time loop, or did the salvage of the T-800 parts just accelerate everything and make the future worse? Any maybe this whole time travel isn't quite as accurate as expected.
That's the idea of it. Terminator parts being left over altered the future. The OG Skynet wasn't made with the help of them. You can also not send as many terminators back in time as you want, nor can you pinpoint to where. Time passed in the future, just like it did in the present, which is why the T1000 isn't sent back to the same point that the T800 was sent to in the first movie.
In the context of the whole thing, T2 was perfectly plausible. The present of the movies isn't the same past as that of the future, since in the future no terminator was sent back, Sarah never was in a mental ward and John Connor eventually defeats Skynet or is at least close enough.
There is a time paradox with who John Connor's father is, sure, but that's just how it is with time travel. Only the movie present matters as set in stone. Otherwise the first movie wouldn't make any sense either since John Connor couldn't have been born in the first place, Skynet could've never gotten developed for a lack of terminator parts and no terminator would've ever been sent back.

For the first two movies, suspension of disbelief works. T3 is the movie that completely fucks the entire system by claiming that you can't alter the past in any way, which doesn't make sense even with the in universe logic. It's still a pretty okay movie. The movies after that and the TV show are fucking terrible.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Keith Chegwin » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:57 pm

Kugelfisch wrote:
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It's still a pretty okay movie.
Are you on crack? T3 was awful. There's a reason people like to pretend they never ever made another Terminator after T2
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We also find out in T2 that apparently Skynet was built out of the 1984 T-800. Which makes sense, if we're going with the first film's idea of it all being a time loop. But then they decide the future isn't set? So... 1984 invasion = predestination paradox, 1991 invasion = do whatever you want? Ok then.
Nothing that happened in the first movie had any significant impact on the future. This isn't a hard concept to understand
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Rushy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:18 pm

Keith Chegwin wrote:
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It's still a pretty okay movie.
Are you on crack? T3 was awful. There's a reason people like to pretend they never ever made another Terminator after T2
Talk to the hand.
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We also find out in T2 that apparently Skynet was built out of the 1984 T-800. Which makes sense, if we're going with the first film's idea of it all being a time loop. But then they decide the future isn't set? So... 1984 invasion = predestination paradox, 1991 invasion = do whatever you want? Ok then.
Nothing that happened in the first movie had any significant impact on the future. This isn't a hard concept to understand
Fair enough. But this is again why I say T1 is the one great film, because there's a tragic element to it completely lacking in T2(well, minus the fact that Arnie had to melt down). Not to mention the claustrophobic direction, the tension, the mystery etc.
Another issue T2 has is the middle act where everything grinds to a halt.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Keith Chegwin » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:35 pm

Well, that's down to taste. Honestly, I might even agree with you that I prefer the original Terminator to the sequel but I always think of T2 and Aliens as examples of how to do a proper sequel. They take the original idea and expand on it in interesting ways. A bad sequel on the other hand just seems to wallow in the preceding instalment. That's what T3 does.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:40 pm

Kugelfisch wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:37 pm
For the first two movies, suspension of disbelief works. T3 is the movie that completely fucks the entire system by claiming that you can't alter the past in any way, which doesn't make sense even with the in universe logic. It's still a pretty okay movie. The movies after that and the TV show are fucking terrible.
Though the really stupid shit is - once again - reserved for the comics, where SkyNet apparently built a T-Infinity that's a Terminator with a built-in time machine programmed to ensure that Judgment Day happens. Because that's totally the only purpose for an instant win button shaped like a skellyman.

For the movies, I like how they went progressively dumber. T3 had "Ya can't 'kill' SkyNet because cloud computing and shit" (which is a surpisingly rare plot point in evil computer movies), whereas one of the latter ones went with "Oh yeah, SkyNet uploaded itself into a Super Terminator".
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by Kugelfisch » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:53 pm

Keith Chegwin wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:57 pm
Kugelfisch wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:37 pm
It's still a pretty okay movie.
Are you on crack? T3 was awful. There's a reason people like to pretend they never ever made another Terminator after T2
It's a guilty pleasure for me. There's not a single Ahnold movie I completely dislike. At least not from the one's I've seen. Cameos don't count.
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Re: Star Whores: Diverse Agenda

Post by rabidtictac » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:47 am

I see everyone is talking about shitty movies. But have you forgotten the biggest shitty movie franchise?

STAR WARS

There are only 2 legitimately good movies. 1 if we want to be super critical memelords who discount Empire just because the internet jacks it off all the time. New Hope is great and Empire is great too. That's all.

Now count how many other star wars movies there are and despair:

Jedi was half of a good movie and half of a shitty prequels-style movie (I mean "prequels" in the sense of how they presented the story and how it had all this bullshit comic relief.)

Episode 1 was trash. It would be inoffensive trash if not for a truly awful child actor shitting up large sections of the movie. And a podracing scene that was about 30 minutes longer than it needed to be. George was probably watching Nascar at the time and thought "if I like it, everyone else must like it too!"

Episode 2 was a milestone for how to ruin a series. It birthed so many memes purely from its awfulness. Nothing about this movie is any good and nearly every piece of dialogue induces nuclear cringe. Especially anything involving Hayden or Portman. Both seem like competent actors in other shit but they're the worst in this movie. George was in full-on lightsaber action wank mode too, glorifying jedi violence despite everything Yoda and Ben had said in the first couple of movies. There's no notable difference between Jedi and Sith behavior in the prequels, except the Sith aren't as openly quick to violence and they have an alternative view regarding their religious observances.

Episode 3 would, like Episode 1, be inoffensive if not for a notable flaw. In this case, the movie is FUCKING BORING AS DIRT. Nothing happens and the action goes on way too long. People talk and talk and talk about bullshit everyone already knows, then they finally decide to act and we get 30+ minute action sequences with special effects porn. The acting sucks ass and everyone is bad in the movie except Palpatine, who is bad in a saturday morning cartoon villain way that's fun to watch. I've felt myself falling asleep watching this fucking shit and that doesn't happen with the other prequels. Hell, you almost don't want to turn away from Episode 2 because you might miss a funny meme like "sand" or rolling in the field with CGI aliens! Or Dexter Jettster!

Force Awakens is mediocre or bad depending who you ask. It's a retread of A New Hope, and not even remotely as good.

Last Jedi is shit and I haven't even seen it yet.

Soylo looks like shit.

Rogue One looks like shit.

All the cartoons are shit except the ones with samurai jack dude, and those are action shlock for kids.

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