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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Kugelfisch » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:11 pm

Keith Chegwin wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:22 am
Just, who puts leeks in a bolognese?
Nobody. It's a lasagna, not spaghetti but thrown in a different tray with other noodles.
Keith Chegwin wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:22 am
Who puts bacon in a bolognese? That's cheap meat.

You Anglos don't even know what bacon is. I've seen what you call bacon and it's an entirely different cut from what the rest of the world considers bacon.
I could've said "Italian bacon" but then what are the odds of that being universally available? Price doesn't matter. Minced meat is "cheap" as well.
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You're supposed to be half Italian too, aren't you? For shame.
A quarter. It makes the difference between being outraged about vegetables in lasagna sauce or not.
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Keith Chegwin » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:28 pm

Kugelfisch wrote:
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Minced meat is "cheap" as well.
Depends on what it's minced from.
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Kugelfisch » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:03 pm

Keith Chegwin wrote:
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Kugelfisch wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:11 pm
Minced meat is "cheap" as well.
Depends on what it's minced from.
Still doesn't explain why you'd think that bacon is unusual for an Italian dish when it's absolutely not. Even in a Minestrone belongs a little bacon.
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Keith Chegwin » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:32 pm

Kugelfisch wrote:
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Still doesn't explain why you'd think that bacon is unusual for an Italian dish when it's absolutely not.
I never said that it was unusual for an Italian dish. I said it was unusual for this particular dish. I've never seen it.
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Kugelfisch » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:44 pm

Then maybe you should try it before shit talking it. Sure, you can just make a bolognese sauce but then what you have is the same dish as your spaghetti, just in a different shape.
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Guest » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:00 pm

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Took me long enough but here's a Lasagna recipe:
For about 6-7 portions

2 Carrots, about half a Celeriac, 1 Leek, 1 Onion,
2-3 cloves of Garlic, 100g of diced Bacon,
Olive oil, 500g minced meat (I use beef but you can also use beef and pork),
100ml red wine (personally, I prefer a dry Tempranillo)
500ml of meat stock, 1 can of peeled Tomatoes (800g, I usually use fresh ones but it really doesn't matter),
Salt & Pepper, about 70g Butter, 50g Flour, 400ml Milk, grated Nutmeg,
500g Lasagne noodle plates, 250g Mozzarella (get buffalo one if you can),
about 100g ground Parmigiano Reggiano or Grana Padano.

Essentially, what you're doing is making the sauce, make Béchamel sauce and then put the stuff together. Since we're three people at home we usually make the sauce in the volume the recipe says and put half of it in the freezer. It holds well in it and next time you make one you're already half done.
Thus for three people half the ingredients are fine. They are only relatively rough estimates anyway and you'll need to fine tune a bit.

1. The sauce!
Dice the Carrots, Celeriac, Leek, Onion and the peeled Garlic cloves into fine cubes. A food processor is very helpful for this.
Put all of that along with the bacon in a pot with hot Olive Oil and stew it.
Add the Minced Meat and fry until it's crumbly.
Add Tomatoes (roughly diced) with their juice, the Red Wine, 100ml Meat Stock and let it come to a boil.
Let it simmer for about 30 minutes and spice with Salt & Pepper to your taste.

2. Béchamel sauce.
Heat the Butter in a pot, add the Flour while stirring bit by bit.
Add the remaining 300ml Meat Stock and the Milk, keep stirring while you let it get to a simmer.
Spice with Salt, Pepper and Nutmeg, let it simmer for about five minutes, stir occasionally.
Béchamel is a bit touchy. You never want to let it get to a full on boil and you want to stir it a lot so it doesn't burn.

3. Sauces are ready, building and baking the lasagna.
Heat up the oven to 200°C over under or 180°C recirculating.
Get a backing dish, cover the bottom with a couple of spoons Béchamel, put noodle plates on it.
From then on you go 3-4 spoons of sauce, noodle plates, Béchamel, sauce, noodle plates, Béchamel and so on, ending with noodle plates and pouring the remaining Béchamel over it.
Cut the Mozzarella in slices, put those on top, cover that with the ground Parmigiano and put the remaining butter in small flakes on it. You'll have to judge yourself how much Parmigiano you want.

Put that for 40 minutes in the oven and then let it rest for 10 minutes outside of the oven. Done.


Again, we usually make the sauce with the minced meat in that volume and only use half of it. Naturally, we only make half the amount of Béchamel sauce. That way the next time you really only need to make the Béchamel sauce and can start stacking. You can't tell the difference if it has been frozen or not.
Bacon is also a relative term. I suggest using regular breakfast bacon strips and not heavily smoked one as that tends to overpower the rest of the ingredients.
Don't get too hung up on exact amounts of stuff. You can easily use more garlic for example. Taste everything you're making and tune to your liking.
Thanks for the recipe Kugelboss, I'll give it a go when the weather cools off a bit.

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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by mad bum » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:48 am

Too much work/10
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Keith Chegwin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:59 am

Kugelfisch wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:44 pm
Sure, you can just make a bolognese sauce but then what you have is the same dish as your spaghetti, just in a different shape.
Spaghetti doesn't usually come with béchamel sauce. Or in a big tray.
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Kugelfisch » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:26 am

Keith Chegwin wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:59 am
Kugelfisch wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:44 pm
Sure, you can just make a bolognese sauce but then what you have is the same dish as your spaghetti, just in a different shape.
Spaghetti doesn't usually come with béchamel sauce. Or in a big tray.
Do you feel like you've made a point here? Honest question.
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Re: Great meals you just had

Post by Keith Chegwin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:18 am

Kugelfisch wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:26 am
Do you feel like you've made a point here? Honest question.
This is fun for me if that's what you're asking

All this talk about lasagne has given me a craving. Think I'll make some
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