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[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Rosaenne said something that Leftist word magic has yet to figure out how to doublethink away.

[Keith Chegwin]

They wouldn't want to doublethink it away. They were mad at Roseanne in the first place because she was a Trump supporting conservative (Trump even called to congratulate her), but so long as she didn't do anything wrong they couldn't get rid of her because the Roseanne revival was the highest rated thing ABC has put out in a decade.

[drisko]

Finally watched Captain Marvel and it was less about how she's a strong feminist than I expected. Which actually kind of weakens her character arc.

So in the movie, she is living on the Kree world and has amnesia, which was caused by the explosion that gave Marvel her powers. She eventually crash lands on earth and starts to realise she's from there, which is confirmed when she and Fury discover she was the pilot for a top secret project that supposedly died six years prior, which just happens to be when she lost her memory.

Now in the flashbacks, we see some examples of the sexism she grew up with, like her daddy telling her she doesn't belong go-karting with the boys, some Tom Cruise looking dude telling her "It's called a cockpit for a reason" during training, stuff like that. The problem is aside from one moment where a biker tries to flirt with her while she's trying to read a map, there's really not much else that happens. Fury's kind of a dick at first, but that's because he has no idea what's going on and she's mocking him for being a stupid man... who is black, and therefore beneath her.

But at the end, she has this big turning moment where she remembers all these times she fell trying to be one of the boys, but then got right back up again, and this gives her the strength to go super saiyan and kick some ass in a completely one-sided fight to No Doubt's "I'm Just a Girl". And after, Jude Law points out that she's never beaten him without using her powers and offers her the chance to finally do it, only for Marvel to blast him and tell him she doesn't need to prove anything to him.

Here's the thing... she's never wanted any man's approval, or lacked confidence in herself. You could have done a thing where she wants to be liked and has been holding herself back, related to the inhibitor that the Kree put on her, but even that isn't there. She's pretty much giving her all from the start... so in the end she has no arc besides learning who she is and then fucking off for twenty years.

Now say what you will about Black Panther, but at least he did have something resembling an arc. He was ready to go along with the same old lie his ancestors had gone with, and at the end realised he had the wealth and power to do more for people outside of Wakanda and decided to do so.

I wouldn't be surprised if there had been a bit where she was more meek and submissive and then at the end decided "Fuck that" which would have worked better, but they probably took it out.

It's a shame that this is the movie Stan Lee got his big tribute, but at least it's not the worst one in the series. It's just... meh.

[TheManWithNoPlan]

It’s a film that if they were gonna do it should’ve been the first film in the series not the second to last.

[Keith Chegwin]

Sounds like fucking cancer drisko, and I can't believe you watched it

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

You don't need no friggin' character arc if you show that sexism is bad.

It’s a film that if they were gonna do it should’ve been the first film in the series not the second to last.

But then the MCU would've died before it even got started.

[Rapeculture]

A movie about a stronk independent wahmen who don't need no man. Of course the writers would be a couple of ugly feminist cunts.

Glad to be done with capeshit.

[rpgworm]

Captain Marvel is such a bizarre movie. Not the interesting kind, but by watching it you can clearly tell they had planned this arc with the main character for a journey of self discovery and regaining her identity and even set charactes like Jude Law's to be the ones manipulating and keeping Carol down so it's obvious that when she's is by her own and uncovering her past, she changes and becomes the person she once was or better.

But for that to work, the main character needs to be very distinctive between who they were and what the've become, and show moments of weakness and self doubt. Fuck, Jason Bourne is a demigod badass spy that can do anything, but they at least showed him having moments of weakness and screw ups.

But Captain Marvel is the same person regardless, the same level headed competent ass kicker that can do anything. Why is that? for feminism? But wouldn't be a more convincing girl power message if she went from submisse to defiant throughout the movie? I don't get it, and I feel that is what the screen writter had in mind but were told to change.

I say that because it's the same shit in the comics. Marvel wants to have their wonder woman (not just for the movies, but as a all around brand), but aside from the famous female X-men (Storm, Jean Grey, Rogue, etc) they got nothing. So it's understandable they are pushing Carol Danvers but since then she always come off as off putting, pushy and some times unreasonable (like in Civil War 2).

You can argue feminism and all that "SJW" stuff, but it is really weird the way they go over this, feels almost like a caricature of a "strong female protagonist" than a earnest character.

And worst of all? Carol Danvers was fine as Miss Marvel. Sure, she was always a "C" lister, and never all that interesting, but she was the leader of the avengers for a long time, and had some good stories like trying to help a kid who could bring storybooks to life but his imagination was getting out of control, and some relatable personality traits, like insecurity and the constant need to prove herself.

I get why they had to change the name and the costume , I liked the cheesecake but whatever, but I never got why they had to change her character when they already had one that could work... Same with the movie...

[TheManWithNoPlan]

You don't need no friggin' character arc if you show that sexism is bad.

It’s a film that if they were gonna do it should’ve been the first film in the series not the second to last.

But then the MCU would've died before it even got started.

If a film about Iron Man starring a has been, junkie, midget could be big success in 2008 a Captain Marvel film probably starring Scarlett Johnsson would've too.

[Keith Chegwin]

If a film about Iron Man starring a has been, junkie, midget could be big success in 2008 a Captain Marvel film probably starring Scarlett Johnsson would've too.

So, let me get this straight: you think they should've done the 'muh feminism' movie in 2008? Before Obama? With an attractive actress? When she was attractive? And you think this would have done well?