PushingUpRoses AKA SuckingOutFatness (Advocate of suicide, Queen of cucking LGR)

[Poonoo]

To be honest, most meat analogues don't taste at all like meat. The psychological association from eating actual meat can be attributed to the sauce. A vegan hot dog reminds me of eating a beef hotdog because it has mustard and a bun, not because of the vegan hot dog itself.

Hotdogs and shitty "meat" like that are barely even meat anyway so of course it doesn't taste different. Good luck finding vegan chicken or steak that doesn't taste like shit though.

I just like animals a lot. :c

That guilt people feel about eating animals comes from people humanising them. Most animals are much, much dumber than you think they are and mostly operate on pure instinct. I remember a TV show wanted to see if dogs actually felt guilt because sometimes people think when they dog puts it's head down when you point at something they tore up they feel regret, but they don't comprehend that at all. They just have their head down because you are yelling at them, they react the same way whether they did something wrong or not.



Apes are one of the smarter animals, so are dogs and cats. And the only concept they apes understand is "Give Orange Me Give Eat Orange Me Eat Orange Give Me Eat Orange Give Me YOU". Cows, chickens and turkeys are fucking retards and any PETA study claiming they are more than just animals reacting on instinct are similar to the video above with Koko.

[Liar Revealed]

I'd like to be vegan. But it's just too hard to do it.
Food is really gross when you think about its origins.

[BlueberryRagamuffin]

Apes are one of the smarter animals, so are dogs and cats. And the only concept they apes understand is "Give Orange Me Give Eat Orange Me Eat Orange Give Me Eat Orange Give Me YOU". Cows, chickens and turkeys are fucking retards and any PETA study claiming they are more than just animals reacting on instinct are similar to the video above with Koko.

Aren't humans just animals reacting on instinct?

[Guest]

Yes. That's why murder and cannibalism are not wrong

[Poonoo]

Food is really gross when you think about its origins.

That's because most people are sheltered from killing an animal in our modern society. Seeing a dead animal for the first time isn't pretty, but hunter gatherers were used to it and didn't feel weird skinning and gutting an animal to eat. That's why PETA assholes love showing brutal imagery to emotionally manipulate people.

>free range isn't real

Also, just because it feels pain doesn't mean it understands what is going on. I'm not saying outright animal abuse is perfectly fine, we have laws against that shit and that should be punished but don't act like an animal stuck in a cage for all it's life is the same as it being kicked and beaten for no damn reason (I know that happens sometimes and farmers who do that should be punished, that's a sign of a psychopath to enjoy hurting animals). You don't buy into feminist shit do you? Don't think for a second animal rights activists aren't as fucking deceptive and shitty, activists are always cunts who aren't above lying.

Aren't humans just animals reacting on instinct?

First:

Yes. That's why murder and cannibalism are not wrong

Also men just don't go around fucking any woman they find attractive by force like a dog. Humans have many instincts that are repressed because of socialisation because we can reason and comprehend things happening around us and the world beyond our instincts. No other animal thinks this way.

And any man who calls himself a vegetarian or a vegan is a defective man and may as well be a woman. Men having less empathy than women makes it easier for them to hunt and kill animals without mercy in order to survive, and in the tribal days if men were too beta to hunt they wouldn't breed. It's natural for women to be more empathetic that way and go vegan or whatever when they see a dead animal because historically they never killed them and they naturally have more empathy but a man? Fuck no.

[BlueberryRagamuffin]

What reason do animal rights activists have to lie? Are they shilling for Big Soy? The only people with skin in the game, so to speak, are meat eaters and the meat industry. 99% of animals are factory farmed. In the olden days, farming was less intensive so people ate meat very rarely. The modern demand to eat meat twice or three times a day is what necessitates factory farming and the cruelty it entails.

Even if that wasn't the case, I believe that killing animals for our benefit is inherently inhumane. Killing something robs them of their potential for happiness. I can't justify doing that just because I like ribs.

That said, I really don't have the moral high ground here. I still eat dairy and eggs, after all. My vegetarianism is based on hyper-empathy and sentimentality rather than any consistent ideology.

[Kugelfisch]

What reason do animal rights activists have to lie?

Same reason leftist shits have claiming that a transfaggot is actually a woman. Getting off on feeling superior and enlightened and on trying to be as disruptive to as many people as possible for the attention.

Even if that wasn't the case, I believe that killing animals for our benefit is inherently inhumane.

It's just about the most natural thing there is. What differentiates a human being from a monster is treating the animal respectfully and trying to make the process of killing it as quick and painless as possible.
Especially the hunters guild here takes that very seriously because of the traditional understanding that the creator is in every part of his creation. It's written on the front label of every bottle of Jägermeister to this day.

That said, I really don't have the moral high ground here. I still eat dairy and eggs, after all.

Chicken lay eggs anyway and if they aren't fertilized there's no potential life there. Milk cows are specifically bred to give milk and exist for that purpose alone. They aren't natural beasts and aren't able to survive in the wild. They not only don't mind being milked, they need it.

Yes, there are people that abuse farm animals. But the argument isn't if that's alright or not. It isn't. There are also people that beat their dog to make it an unhinged, aggressive beast yet I'm sure you wouldn't advocate against people having dogs as pets.

[Pepsi Man]

You have canines for a reason. Cutting back on meat is fine. Personally, I believe killing more than you can use is where you draw the line.
Cutting meat out because some chicken has an instinctive reaction to painful stimuli is actually retarded. That chicken isn't your loyal dog. Those pigs will actually eat you, if given the chance. That herd of cows will trample you and not even realize they've done it.

Animals don't care about you. Sometimes even the ones you take care of don't. Stop putting human characteristics onto them.

[Liar Revealed]

Also men just don't go around fucking any woman they find attractive by force like a dog.

Um, I counter your argument using any "brown people" country as an example.

I agree with you that PETA is absolute scum. These people kill more animals than they save! Horrible, disgusting people.
That doesn't mean that all animal rights activists are all wrong just because PeTA are all stupid assholes.
The animals shouldn't live their whole lives in cages and should be free range. Free range is how animals have been farmed for millennia. The horrific caged way it's done now is unnatural and degenerate.

I think a balance can be made that keeps the animals happy while they're alive at least.

[Kugelfisch]

You have canines for a reason. Cutting back on meat is fine. Personally, I believe killing more than you can use is where you draw the line.
Cutting meat out because some chicken has an instinctive reaction to painful stimuli is actually retarded. That chicken isn't your loyal dog. Those pigs will actually eat you, if given the chance. That herd of cows will trample you and not even realize they've done it.

Animals don't care about you. Sometimes even the ones you take care of don't. Stop putting human characteristics onto them.

Pretty much this but also keeping in mind to not put negative human characteristics into them either. Pigs are no playthings. That female swine will absolutely fuck your shit up if it's got piglets. There's no malice in that, though.

Many people around here have chicken. They are very easy to keep. You'll always have fresh, delicious eggs if you let them roam around and you have very little work. You'll be very grateful for those chicken every day. I don't see that as an abusive relationship at all. They get to have a comfy life, you get great eggs.
But when a hen is growing really old, it's time to slaughter it. Why have it get all the issues of old age and then pass away after a possibly long time of suffering when you can instead make a fantastic soup out of it?

If it was your dog, that'd be a different situation. You keep that dog for companionship and you're only going to euthanise it when it's only going to suffer if you don't.
But that chicken isn't there for that reason. You have a deal with it. It gets to live long and comfortable in security and when the time comes it's going to become soup. Husbandry is the reason why both of you currently exist in the first place. You wouldn't be here, the chicken wouldn't be here. There's no malice involved. You didn't look forward to getting to kill your hen that gave you all those eggs for all those years, the hen is blissfully unaware of the situation. You just do the most logical thing and in the end you and the hen have greatly benefited from the situation.


I get the whole argument about mass animal keeping in an unethical manner being a problem. The root of that isn't husbandry. The root of it is there being well too many people. Same with pollution and such. Everyone honestly knows that.
That's really my main problem with PETA motherfuckers. They hate people just as much as I do. I'm just more honest and don't have to pretend that I have a publicly acceptable ethical reason for it. I'm also not afraid to get to the necessary conclusion that we really should euthanise millions and millions of people ASAP.
But I don't run things. The majority wants to pretend like that's not the actual problem and will happily ruin everything while avoiding the harsh reality. Fine by me. When shit finally starts to get really bad I won't be around anyway.