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[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Let's call it Autism.

In other words too many cooks spoil the broth. This is some basic economic shit, and the day I learned that is the day that I knew more about economics than every single socialist in history. Venezuela sure as fuck didn't know it and it fucked with their country and made them produce less oil.

Venezuela basically did what we like to call "Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahme", aka "job creation scheme" aka "giving someone work for the sake of giving him something to do". Might sound nice on paper, but a job for which the market has no need for isn't exactly a good long-term strategy.

[Keith Chegwin]

It's harder to come up with bullshit excuses for the deaths that were caused by FUCKING FAMINES CREATED BY COMMUNISTS NOT MANAGING FOOD CORRECTLY AND ASSIGNING FARMERS TO OTHER JOBS!

Thing is, the famine in itself would be bad enough but Stalin actually let these people die and denied there even was a famine. Conversely the same thing happened to Khrushchev and he went, with tail in between legs, to ask the Americans if he could buy some of their grain.

[rabidtictac]

With Libertarians and Socialists ask them to explain their position without shitting on something else. The socialist will spend most of their time criticising capitalism and the libertarian will talk your ear off about how shit socialism is, don't let them deflect and make them focus on why their system is good instead. Watch them crumble as they say some truly retarded shit, without crapping on something else the dumb shit they will say doesn't get hidden amongst it.

The socialists are just taking a lesson from their master. Marx could talk a mean "capitalism a shit" game, but when it came time to explain what Marxism was supposed to be like in the real world, he was like a fucking preacher. Go look at what he thought marxism was supposed to be. It was magical thinking. Basically wishing for a savior proletariat to rise up and institute utopia on earth. Fucking insanity.

As for libertarians, they get hung up on the stupid roads argument, so they're sure as shit not going to be able to figure out all the other 1000 things a proper government has to do without even thinking about it. Supposing they do privatize every road in America and it works out (which it won't)... Well okay, now you still need to have privatized cops that work. Privatized fire fighters. That work. Privatized animal control and hospitals. Get on it. Libertarians won't say that their proposed plan is to just remove 99-100% of all that shit and assume on faith that things will work out somehow.

Enjoy getting gangfucked by Jamal when he and his 100 cousins show up at your door. Enjoy a total breakdown on shipping goods, since privatization will mean no universal protections. Enjoy monopolies becoming de facto states. Enjoy corporate wars.

[Poonoo]

As for libertarians, they get hung up on the stupid roads argument, so they're sure as shit not going to be able to figure out all the other 1000 things a proper government has to do without even thinking about it. Supposing they do privatize every road in America and it works out (which it won't)... Well okay, now you still need to have privatized cops that work. Privatized fire fighters. That work. Privatized animal control and hospitals. Get on it. Libertarians won't say that their proposed plan is to just remove 99-100% of all that shit and assume on faith that things will work out somehow.

Enjoy getting gangfucked by Jamal when he and his 100 cousins show up at your door. Enjoy a total breakdown on shipping goods, since privatization will mean no universal protections. Enjoy monopolies becoming de facto states. Enjoy corporate wars.

You are only half right here, you are mostly talking about ancaps and a lot of lefties do that with the Somalia argument. Libertarians at the very least want cops and some form of law and order and a military so the whole gang warfare bullshit only applies to ancap retards.

But yes, monopolies will become a thing even though libertarians will preach that "the free market will provide" like it is some sort of deity. Every Libertarian needs to do some research on 1800s America to find out exactly how that went.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Free market never works the way these guys preach. All their wonderful theories assume that monopolies either don't exist, or that these monopolies will somehow not make use of their might to prevent any potential rivals and/or fuck over the customers who - contrary to those theories - aren't necessarily in a position where they can just get their services from someone else.

Libertarians won't say that their proposed plan is to just remove 99-100% of all that shit and assume on faith that things will work out somehow.

That also what the commies do. They're all just believing that these wonderful forms of government that never worked out ever will just magically work someday.

Enjoy getting gangfucked by Jamal when he and his 100 cousins show up at your door. Enjoy a total breakdown on shipping goods, since privatization will mean no universal protections. Enjoy monopolies becoming de facto states. Enjoy corporate wars.

I'm beginning to suspect that libtards and ancaps are just closet cyberpunk otakus trying to make their utopia a reality.

[Kugelfisch]

So yeah they have a point, Communism is better than a really shitty Monarchy run by an incompetent idiot son who only inherited it by birth but that's about it.

Is it really? You know where that monarchy went, right? The Bolschewiki revolution is estimated to be, maybe, 5000 men in total, some sources estimate 3k at best. So all it took was that few people to utterly destroy that system through and through.
That's the thing with kings. You can organise and go kill them. Doesn't take all too many people, really. Once the king is dead and his family is executed, that's really it.
Instead, they replaced it with a worse kind of monarchy where you couldn't even go and kill some king and where organising was made much, much, much harder. Not even the world war, the cold war and lots of other shit that costed millions of peoples their lives has managed to bring the Soviet Union down. Goes to show how much production you can have if you basically enslave a dozen nations while caring less about your population than the average cotton farmer did in burgers nigger slave days.

>having a communist friend
The faggot can talk as smart as he wants to. Communism having failed in every single nation it's ever been applied to and generally making them fucking hellholes to live in that make 1940 Germany look like a haven of free speech stands against his words.
Very first ones to stand against the nearest wall on the day of the rope or the day the left ultimately wins. Useful idiot par excellence.

[Kugelfisch]

But yes, monopolies will become a thing even though libertarians will preach that "the free market will provide" like it is some sort of deity. Every Libertarian needs to do some research on 1800s America to find out exactly how that went.

The free market doesn't work for shit if you want it to work in the population's favour. Hey, America, how has that worked out for small business-owners so far? Walmart fucked them real bad, didn't they? That's with a regulated market. Unregulated, you'll have pure monopolies in everything in about a decade or two, guaranteed.
Investors, companies and customers don't think long term. Especially customers aren't. Get the cheapest deal at some place? That's where they are going. Doesn't matter if it'll lead to the entire community to go broke because all tax-paying companies fold and thus all jobs will also go with those. What matters is cheap! Now! Your average mayor is no smarter than the pile of stale dogshit on a forest dirtway.

[Credo in Deum]

The problem you have is that if you dismantle the state you also have to transfer power to another system of checks and balances. Just declaring the free market as the all knowing being is retarded

In the future when anarchism spreads those will probably be guilds and unions.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

My bets are on whoever has the most guns, and people to arm with said guns. Aka ex-military dudes starting a junta.

[da PAC Nigguh]

For some reason the rock station here starting playing "Overkill" by Men at Work all the time after not hearing it for decades. I fucking hate that song.

Fuck you, poonoo.