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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:04 pm

I'd really love the answer to "More harm than good compared to what?" Definitely not socialism, seeing how that stuff tends to FUBAR entire countries way faster than capitalism ever could.
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Post by Tony Schiavone » Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:00 pm

You have to also figure in those who are thinking of crony capitalism (which leads to sweetheart deals, protectionist legislation, oligarchy, monopolies, etc.).
Which honestly, was and is a problem--though by no means one limited to capitalism.

A more telling question would be to ask the respondants if they thought Free Markets did more harm than good.
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Post by veris leta facies » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:09 pm

Tony Schiavone wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:00 pm
You have to also figure in those who are thinking of crony capitalism (which leads to sweetheart deals, protectionist legislation, oligarchy, monopolies, etc.).
Which honestly, was and is a problem--though by no means one limited to capitalism.
Yep. Absolutely not limited to capitalism, corruption and opportunism can and will occur in every economic system and I'm not aware of the type of system that prevents, for example, sweetheart deals. Problems you mentioned are all more prevalent features of more left-wing economic systems, so I wouldn't count em directly as problems of capitalism.

As Milton Friedman put it, the only thing you can trust in other people is their greed. Everyone are greedy and once you accept that and learn to exploit that then you'll thrive. Capitalism has its problems, there's always winners and losers, but there really isn't a sensible alternative. Be greedy and exploit another man's greediness. That's how the wealth of nations are built. There's a direct correlation how the more China opened up to capitalism, the less it got a shithole country.
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Re: Collapse of the West (Purge General Thread)

Post by Poonoo » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:42 pm

VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:04 pm
I'd really love the answer to "More harm than good compared to what?" Definitely not socialism, seeing how that stuff tends to FUBAR entire countries way faster than capitalism ever could.
It's another bullshit survey where they ask the question in a certain way to get the result they want.

"You see, people hate capitalism"

It's textbook sociology. That entire field is founded on junk studies like this including the Pay Gap and the Bechtel Test and it's obvious the people who did the survey are radical leftists trying to "prove" capitalism is shit without understanding economics.
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Post by veris leta facies » Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:04 pm

"Do you support leaving sick poor elderly people on the streets to die? No? Ok, so you consider capitalism evil. Next respondent!
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Post by Kugelfisch » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:59 pm

veris leta facies wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:09 pm
Tony Schiavone wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:00 pm
You have to also figure in those who are thinking of crony capitalism (which leads to sweetheart deals, protectionist legislation, oligarchy, monopolies, etc.).
Which honestly, was and is a problem--though by no means one limited to capitalism.
Yep. Absolutely not limited to capitalism, corruption and opportunism can and will occur in every economic system and I'm not aware of the type of system that prevents, for example, sweetheart deals. Problems you mentioned are all more prevalent features of more left-wing economic systems, so I wouldn't count em directly as problems of capitalism.
It's much worse in socialist systems because the avenue of monetary success is entirely closed of. That only leaves sucking up to the party. The GDR was a fantastic example of that.
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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:27 pm

They fucked up so hard that East Germany is still Shithole Germany.
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Tony Schiavone wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:00 pm
You have to also figure in those who are thinking of crony capitalism (which leads to sweetheart deals, protectionist legislation, oligarchy, monopolies, etc.).
Which honestly, was and is a problem--though by no means one limited to capitalism.

A more telling question would be to ask the respondants if they thought Free Markets did more harm than good.
The people who are considered to be part of the counter-enlightenment lamented that the people of the enlightenment separated state and church. In the same sense the market is divided into two entities. It would make more sense to fuse together what belongs together without actually destroying the soul of both elements.

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Re: Collapse of the West (Purge General Thread)

Post by GitGud » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:53 pm

VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:27 pm
They fucked up so hard that East Germany is still Shithole Germany.
And they gave us Mama Merkel
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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:58 pm

Aka the GDR's final V-Keikaku.
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