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Post by rabidtictac » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:14 pm

I've been reading some Neal Asher science fiction. I really like his short stories. I've read some of his longer novellas and I feel his work as at its strongest when he's limited by the short story format. Some writers get a chance to spread their wings and they go in every direction. A short story works best for Mr. Asher, imo. He writes a lot of stuff that reminds me of short stories from Alistair Reynolds. A lot of body horror science fiction shit with spy storytelling.

The guy who made the Greatship series, Robert Reed, is another one who writes extremely interesting short stories ("Katabasis" is his best,) but his proper novels bore me to tears. It's a shame to read an author from a short story collection, love their work, go to the effort to track down their books and realize their books are awful compared to their work in short stories. I can recommend Robert Reed's novellas, "Eater of Bone" and "Precious Mental."
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Post by Cuckara » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:45 am

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Judging from the Twin Peaks revival thpugh, he's got the nostalgia bug too
Twin Peaks: The Return felt like David Lynch maniacally laughing at nostalgic fans. For most of the season Coop is literally mentally retarded, Audrey randomly shows up near the end and doesn't get any sort of resolution, we never find out what happened to Annie, Leo and several other major characters from the previous seasons, James shows up and plays every Twin Peaks fan's least favorite song "Just You", and the end is a "How's Annie?" level cliffhanger. Plus it didn't have any of the soap opera comfiness of the previous seasons and it was even weirder than Fire Walk With Me. It was great but it was as anti-nostalgic as a revival can get.

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Post by Cuckara » Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:55 am

Speaking of Twin Peaks, has anyone here read Mark Frost's books? Are they any good?

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Post by Keith Chegwin » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:16 am

Never read them. But, if you want to know stuff like what happened to Annie, Leo and all of them then you should probably read The Final Dossier
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Post by Guest » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:09 am

I just assumed Leo died by spider.
I haven't finished S3 yet tbh, I've very slowly crawled through the Twin Peaks franchise the past couple months. Should watched it when S3 was airing but whatev.

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Post by Guest » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:28 am

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Speaking of Twin Peaks, has anyone here read Mark Frost's books? Are they any good?
Mark Frost is an irrelevant faggot who clings to Lynch like cancer and whines about DRUMPHF on Twitter all day long.

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Post by Rushy » Tue May 22, 2018 3:26 pm

Rereading Sandworms Of Dune(based on old Herbert's notes for Dune 7).
And it's a bad, bad book.

For one, it tries to neatly tie up all the leftover plot arcs from the books by resurrecting a majority of the old characters as gholas just so they could have one 'epic moment'(Yueh gets to kill the Baron, Paul and Chani get to retire on Rakis, Stilgar and Liet micromanage another desert planet, Leto II gets to... become a sandworm, again etc)

Despite the book even MENTIONING that the whole point of the saga was not to allow humanity to fall under a charismatic leader, we conclude with a Cyborg Duncan Idaho becoming the Ultimate Kwisatz Haderach and controlling both humans and thinking machines.

The only cool idea with the gholas is utterly wasted. Two factions resurrect Paul, and the two gholas only meet once at the end, to duel. I would have liked to see the two incarnations of Paul explored more.

The Enemy turns out NOT to be Face Dancers(despite Chapterhouse: Dune flatout stating they are), but characters from the prequels. I think we know who the real heretics of Dune are here.

So, sandworms can just chill on any planet now? I swear, by the end of the book, there's sandworms on the machine planet, sandworms on Rakis(they were chilling under the charred crust), genetically modified seaworms on Buzzell, sandworms on Chapterhouse, sandworms on that one random planet Liet and Stilgar decide to live on...

For no reason other than irony, the Baron ghola can hear Alia's voice Other Memory-style. It's literally never explained aside from the Baron speculating he might have a brain tumor.

"Ultraspice"? What is this, a B-movie?

There's more idiocy, but that was the main points. What a letdown
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Post by Kugelfisch » Tue May 22, 2018 3:44 pm

I had a feeling it would be mega garbage like that. If anybody ever asks me, read the first book and be done with the series. The second is meh, the third is good again but the setup at the end leads to nothing but disappointment in the rest of the series. Avoid all other Dune novels like the plague.
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Post by Rushy » Tue May 22, 2018 4:09 pm

Damn, I forgot the biggest fuck you to the readers: nothing that anybody does matters because "the Oracle of Time"(some prequel fuckwad who might as well be from the Q Continuum) comes and erases the evil computer network for the heroes and sends Guild Heighliners full of bombs to help humanity's unified space fleet.

Also, how does Duncan unlock Kwisatz Haderach powers, you may ask? He just gets told he's the Kwisatz Haderach. That's it. He's told this and then Duncan thinks he can do anything the Atreides and Miles Teg could do.
But how does he avoid going megalomaniac like Paul and Leto II? "I won't let that happen." That's it.

Fucking fanfiction level writing. I agree with Kugel for the most part(though I do think Dune Messiah at least is vital), but I do genuinely enjoy the Dune: House trilogy written before this, which basically shows everyday life and political maneuvering for Houses Atreides, Harkonnen and Corrino for a whole generation until the events of the original novel. It's an engrossing read if you're a fan of the Dune universe and want to spend time with the characters without the whole messiah storyline that Dune focuses on.
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Re: Books

Post by Kugelfisch » Tue May 22, 2018 10:20 pm

Duncan Idaho is a far, far, far worse Gary Stue than Rey is a Mary Sue. He's "My Immortal" kinda shit. I honestly never, ever want to fucking hear anything about that shit character ever the fuck again. He seriously pisses me off. Fuck that guy!
How can anyone write that kinda shit? There are no fucking stakes with the fucker. He's brought back again and again for no reason that's ever explained. He gets to be god for no reason. He's treated amazingly by all characters despite being the least trustworthy character.
I won't ever read anything Dune related ever again. That whole universe got totally destroyed for me. After the first three books, nothing feels like you're actually reading Dune at all anyway so I just regard that crap to be terrible fan fiction.
Seriously, Miles Teg was the only interesting character after that and he did nothing with him. Set ups over set ups with no payoff.
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