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Re: Weebshit Thread

Post by rabidtictac » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:29 am

Power creep is one of the worst things about shounen. I don't know what law states that the hero/main characters always have to become better fighters over time. A lot of other anime nixed that idea completely. Even One Piss didn't have serious power creep until haki was introduced.

If anything, getting in more and more fights should make you weaker rather than stronger. A shounen/seinen series should factor some kind of fight limit into its planned run time. Something like, "even our superhuman protagonistman can only fight so many battles before his bones turn to shards, so let's plan around that."

The Wire ended with most of the characters moving off into either upper management or other fields. The Shield ended with a majority of characters either dead or back in the daily grind. The violence in those shows were the exception to a lifetime of mundane and boring shit that we just weren't shown. But it was implied heavily and that's enough. Not saying animu should be like The Shield, but it wouldn't hurt. Vic by the end was just a shell of his former self.

But hey, animu do this shit too, y'know. Toki from Fist of the North Star was a godlike hokuto shinken user, but he also had radiation poisoning and kept getting weaker over time. Raoh cried over his death because he hated to see his brother so reduced in stature from the great man he had been.

Even if they don't write the characters getting weaker over time, why not have them fight smarter rather than level up? I chalk this up again to poor writing and too much reliance on DBZ tropes.
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Re: Weebshit Thread

Post by Tony Schiavone » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:37 am

DBZ at it's best was because the characters had to fight smarter. You could see it in other shounen stuff, like Ippo and even Berserk.

I dont know if Bleach was the first but it was the most prominent at the time the change occurred. Fairy Tail and a few others kind of avoid it some, but its otherwise been inevitable.

I blame stuff like Air Master as good microcosm of what happened. It's what happens when the fanboys of the genre end up writing their own shit. They get enamoured with a certain character and it just ends up winning to the stunted development of everything else.
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Re: Weebshit Thread

Post by rabidtictac » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:43 am

Shaman King is like 99% power creep btw. First it's "you can let a spirit possess you and gain skills," and then "if you have an artifact of significance to the spirit, it can posses the object." But then they couldn't figure out anything else to do, so Shaman King became part 3 Jojo with even more bullshitty Stand powers. Imagine Jojo, but without that moment at the end of part 3 where Araki realized he never wanted to create anything as blatantly OP as DIO ever again.
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Post by Guest » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:27 am

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but without that moment at the end of part 3 where Araki realized he never wanted to create anything as blatantly OP as DIO ever again.
Is that why he made Purple Haze?

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Re: Weebshit Thread

Post by rabidtictac » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:32 am

Guest wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:27 am
rabidtictac wrote:
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but without that moment at the end of part 3 where Araki realized he never wanted to create anything as blatantly OP as DIO ever again.
Is that why he made Purple Haze?
I didn't say he succeeded, just that he said he never wanted any more OP stands. :lol:

It's in the liner notes/extras for one of his hardback mangas. There's interviews with him and he talks about how he didn't like the way the power creep was going. It's why he phased vampires out entirely. Part 4 also didn't have any really bullshitty-OP stands until bites the dust part 2 memory time travel boogaloo.
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Re: Weebshit Thread

Post by Guest » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:39 am

rabidtictac wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:29 am
Power creep is one of the worst things about shounen. I don't know what law states that the hero/main characters always have to become better fighters over time. A lot of other anime nixed that idea completely. Even One Piss didn't have serious power creep until haki was introduced.

If anything, getting in more and more fights should make you weaker rather than stronger. A shounen/seinen series should factor some kind of fight limit into its planned run time. Something like, "even our superhuman protagonistman can only fight so many battles before his bones turn to shards, so let's plan around that."

The Wire ended with most of the characters moving off into either upper management or other fields. The Shield ended with a majority of characters either dead or back in the daily grind. The violence in those shows were the exception to a lifetime of mundane and boring shit that we just weren't shown. But it was implied heavily and that's enough. Not saying animu should be like The Shield, but it wouldn't hurt. Vic by the end was just a shell of his former self.

But hey, animu do this shit too, y'know. Toki from Fist of the North Star was a godlike hokuto shinken user, but he also had radiation poisoning and kept getting weaker over time. Raoh cried over his death because he hated to see his brother so reduced in stature from the great man he had been.

Even if they don't write the characters getting weaker over time, why not have them fight smarter rather than level up? I chalk this up again to poor writing and too much reliance on DBZ tropes.
Your favorite manga in the entire world, Rurouni Kenshin, had Kenshiro's body break down because he was a 40 year old manlet getting into swordfights with other guys all the time. But it didnt really mean anything because it was just an excuse to end the mango that was then unended.

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Guest wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:39 am
rabidtictac wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:29 am
Power creep is one of the worst things about shounen. I don't know what law states that the hero/main characters always have to become better fighters over time. A lot of other anime nixed that idea completely. Even One Piss didn't have serious power creep until haki was introduced.

If anything, getting in more and more fights should make you weaker rather than stronger. A shounen/seinen series should factor some kind of fight limit into its planned run time. Something like, "even our superhuman protagonistman can only fight so many battles before his bones turn to shards, so let's plan around that."

The Wire ended with most of the characters moving off into either upper management or other fields. The Shield ended with a majority of characters either dead or back in the daily grind. The violence in those shows were the exception to a lifetime of mundane and boring shit that we just weren't shown. But it was implied heavily and that's enough. Not saying animu should be like The Shield, but it wouldn't hurt. Vic by the end was just a shell of his former self.

But hey, animu do this shit too, y'know. Toki from Fist of the North Star was a godlike hokuto shinken user, but he also had radiation poisoning and kept getting weaker over time. Raoh cried over his death because he hated to see his brother so reduced in stature from the great man he had been.

Even if they don't write the characters getting weaker over time, why not have them fight smarter rather than level up? I chalk this up again to poor writing and too much reliance on DBZ tropes.
Your favorite manga in the entire world, Rurouni Kenshin, had Kenshiro's body break down because he was a 40 year old manlet getting into swordfights with other guys all the time. But it didnt really mean anything because it was just an excuse to end the mango that was then unended.
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Re: Weebshit Thread

Post by Bobito » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:14 pm

I think healers are more annoying in jojo than a couple of OP stands, at least in previous parts when some secondary character was heavily injured they usually kicked the bucket later, since part 4 you can notice really bloody fights with not much repercussions besides usually the final battles.

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Post by Guest » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:51 pm

Dont only like a couple of people (Kira's victims) die in part 4? Its been so long since I've read Juju.
I was thinking about that one shot where Kira was bumming around as a spirit with anmesia earlier today.

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Re: Weebshit Thread

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:20 pm

Tony Schiavone wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:20 am
Bleach had promise but it soon (too soon) turned into the Ichigo show. None of the supporting cast could have any moments, or grew in power along with the main character. (This includes Rukia and the captains). Ichigo was the only one to turn into 30 different iterations of the same Spanish words, lose three gallons of blood, and still keep frowning.
The world was also gonna end, in the same way, over and over.
I think the only one who legit try to keep up (and was actually able to since he was a Shinigami) was Renji, but he just kept getting roflstomped because his Bankai sucked as much balls as he did.
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Power creep is one of the worst things about shounen. I don't know what law states that the hero/main characters always have to become better fighters over time. A lot of other anime nixed that idea completely. Even One Piss didn't have serious power creep until haki was introduced.
Getting better isn't bad per se, but mango writers just can't restrain themselves and just need the overall power level to go up by an order of magnitude or something. That's the kind of hack writing that leads to invincible super god villains who can do anything and no-self everything. Because that's apparently how to raise the stakes in shounenshit.
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