Communities are a cancer that must be excised out of video games

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Post by rabidtictac » Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:51 am

"Why wouldn't I just use Nox" is a pretty hard question for me to answer too. Nox does everything. At high energy, Maim solos entire maps. Even in high level maps, it stunlocks everything and makes it piss-easy to kill. At low energy, duality kicks in and I get an invincible copy I can keep sending out to grab aggro and kill shit. Nekros Prime is my go-to for survival though, because he is unkillable. I use a shadows build that also has the hp scavenge corpses thing, so I can't die when my shadows are out and can't die easily when they're not. Frost Prime is just da bess for defense. Take a Frost and the entire team gets carried.

Sure, Limbo is broken, but I still hate playing with Limbos because they suck ass. They always banish me by accident and leave their little AIDS warp gates everywhere for me to stumble into. If the average Limbo player was better, it would be less of an issue.

I wish I could use Mag more. I really like Mag Prime. But with the lack of content, I'll probably have mowed down all the content I want to play with my tier 1 and tier 2 picks before I even get to Mag. Nova is another fun one... Damn, this game needs way more content.
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Post by Kugelfisch » Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:03 am

Equinox has seven abilities and two are good. That's what bothers me about her. She only truly shines if you play with another Nox. Solo she's a shitty Saryn with a well lower ceiling.
Frost is good for anything stationary. But then Limbo can do that better, for longer and also take care of mobile defence targets. He's more annoying for teams but then he can solo whatever anyway.
Mag is just plain shit. Always was, always has been. Face it, there's never been a good reason to use her. She's like Hydroid in that regard, just worse at it.

Necros is okay. But he's far from unkillable. Even Mirage has a higher ceiling. Inaros, Nirdus, Rhino and even Oberon surpass him in that regard and Loki can work around that better as well. I'd even argue that Wukong outpaces him in terms of not dying.
Sure, you can use him for that. But you will die whenever you don't have shadows in a millisecond at sufficiently high levels where the mentioned ones can still deal. Especially Rhino, Nidus, Limbo and Inaros because they don't have that time of vulnerability.
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Post by rabidtictac » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:27 am

Oh, I'm not talking about tier lists right now. Just personal preference. I know Mag is bad, but I enjoy using her. She's fun. Her 1 ragdolls everything and gives great crowd control for very little cost. Her 3 buffs shields and fucks up robots. Her 2 can be extremely strong in the right situations, such as when you can drop it right over a defense target or in a hallway. Her 4 is trash garbage though.

Nox just clicked with me, is all I can say. I have a Saryn Prime and she's fun too. But she feels almost too good with how fast she kills shit. I find I can't really get her going (similar to Nidus) in a 4-person team, because things die before she can start her snowball. I hate fighting for kills with other players. Nox doesn't need to snowball-Nox hits 3 and then 4 and then you play normally while you passively buff and CC. If you never tried Duality, you should do. I found I needed something for when my energy was low and I couldn't maintain Maim. Duality is perfect for those times when I'm at 50 or less energy and I need to run around, get some kills, grab some energy so I can go back into Maim. You want to talk shitty? Nyx is a shitty Equinox. Equinox gets every bit as much CC, but with added damage on top and way less need to micromanage enemies.

Honestly, there's no reason to use more than about 6 warframes if we're talking meta (Rhino, Frost, Oberon, Limbo, Mesa, Saryn). But I don't care about meta. I use who I like. Besides which, Mesa is boring as fuck to play.

The big advantage to Nekros over Nidus and Rhino is you get to grind drops while staying durable. Rhino is unkillable, but you won't get as many drops as you will with Nekros.

I forgot about Oberon. That's another frame I was damn near maining when I was farming for Khora. Very fun to be the Oberon in a competent team, since Oberon is able to single-handedly support a team. Nobody goes down when Oberon is around. I'd argue Oberon is better than Rhino because Oberon makes the entire team into Rhino (with the right build). Not as good for solo play, but better in a team setting. Trinity is probably the same way, but she never clicked with me.
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Post by Kugelfisch » Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:48 am

I'm not talking tier lists either. Rhino has always been my favourite Warframe. Not my fault he's been peak meta since forever and ever. Arguably he falls off hard in the mid game. I still mained him.

Yeah, Necros is the corpse fucker. Drops for days. But go towards level 100 or beyond and he eats shit. Oberon starts having touble. Nidus is just getting warmed up and Rhino can't even tell the difference.
Support? Oberon has his radioactive carpet, which is great, but Rhino stomps shit. Rhino is just the best over all Warframe in the entire game and always has been.

You don't need to tell me about playing Frames just for fun. Hydroid is one of my favourite Warframes. So is Zephyr. Both arguably have basically no place in the meta. They had to make Zephyr damn near invulnerable to make her usable. They had to tweak Hydroid's drown scale into infinity to make him work. I enjoy both. But both are fairly badly designed.

Compare that to Rhino. Low level king, loses effectiveness in mid levels. But then you get the mods to make him immortal where he becomes the deströyer or worlds.

What are we even talking about? Star chart stuff? That goes to what, level 110? Everyone can survive that. But 150 and above? Most Warframes eat shit besides Nidus, Inaros and Rhino. Not just in survivability but also in effectiveness. Rhino has practical CC, Inaros doesn't fall and Nidus has CC and just plain better buffs to the team than Oberon.

Let's be honest, nothing on the star chart matters. Every Warframe is viable on there if you want to.
Mesa a shit. That much I'll agree with you for sure. Boring as shit. Takes a lot for a western fanboy like me to declare a gunslinger that but that's what she is.
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Post by rabidtictac » Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:19 am

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Support? Oberon has his radioactive carpet, which is great, but Rhino stomps shit. Rhino is just the best over all Warframe in the entire game and always has been.
Do you not use the mods? The way I use Oberon is I drop the 3 on my team, then put down the carpet. Your team are fucking retards 99% of the time, but just by accident they will still end up walking on it and picking up a bunch of added armor. Between that and the revival effect, they don't go down.
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Support? Oberon has his radioactive carpet, which is great, but Rhino stomps shit. Rhino is just the best over all Warframe in the entire game and always has been.
Do you not use the mods? The way I use Oberon is I drop the 3 on my team, then put down the carpet. Your team are fucking retards 99% of the time, but just by accident they will still end up walking on it and picking up a bunch of added armor. Between that and the revival effect, they don't go down.
Effective for star chart stuff. Try that shit at level 150 and above. The damage mitigation just isn't strong enough. Meanwhile stomped fuckers deal zero damage.
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Post by rabidtictac » Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:49 am

Ah, well that explains it.
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Post by ban » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:11 pm

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So what's the current deal with Warframe? I haven't played it in forever.
Sorry for getting here so late but my answer seems to be about the same as tictac's : more frames without consideration of the game they are put in, useless big updates that do jackshit, some updates are broken and open world is only good for pretending that Gaus is the Flash and Warframe is that cancelled Flash game instead, community is kvetching all day at DE and each other etc

Same shit without ever fixing the core problems like I said in my first post. There's only so much I can play as Excalibur, Rhino, Nataku / Nezha and Goku / Wukong before getting bored. I don't give a flying fuck about muh ranks and how good / bad they are, I like em, I like playing as them and that's all.
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ban did you mean to say Disgaea when you said Dissidia?
Nope, Dissidia. And unlike what Voice says, the grinding for all abilities across all characters lasts only a good 10 hours if you're not braindead and know how to use the system. My hours were actually spent just doing free fights and having fun.
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Square perfected the fighting game genre with Ehrgeiz, they didn't need to try again.
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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:47 pm

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Nope, Dissidia. And unlike what Voice says, the grinding for all abilities across all characters lasts only a good 10 hours if you're not braindead and know how to use the system. My hours were actually spent just doing free fights and having fun.
For me, unlocking all accessory slots and getting someone to level 100 is quick enough, but mastering all Abilities in a reasonable amount of time requires going to very specific dungeons in which you can maximize staking modifiers on top of other modifiers so your AP bonus goes through the roof, all while starting some big chain attack fight combo while standing one of those rare tiles that cause your breakable accessories to never break so you can exploit your modifiers even further all while using a custom ruleset that tweaks everything so your character can one-shot everything at the start of the fight and why the fuck does this game have so many interlocking sub-systems.

Though I admit it is fun beating the living daylights out of Squall, Cloud, and their daughter Lightning.
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Post by ban » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:45 pm

You're going through unecessary hoops unfortunately and putting yourself through the wringer. Though, I assume you found that on prominent forums and I suspect it's what the faggots who first got the US version and Universal Tuning touted for a long while screeched at you on jewtube videos or gayfags posts, so I don't blame you, they were shitting on importers and early grinding methods as "not working" which was bullshit given that they do in D012. Here's what you have to do though, if we assume you start at level 0 etc :

A.)First play the story of at least one of your favourite characters
B.)After you do that and have gotten a lot of credits, just buy from the moogle shop all the EXP, Gill, MP and AP multipliers up the fucking wazoo, max them all out. If you can't, don't worry, we'll get there down the line
C.)Check your calendar on the main menu with Square to see which day you put as your favourite
D.)Adjust your PSP's date to mirror that favourite day
E.)Enter a free battle with your favourite character who should be the highest level by now and fight against preferably Exdeath on easy settings but at your level.
F.)Repeat this process until you get enough point to buy everything from the moogle shop in order to maximize your EXP, AP and Gill gain with every battle and remember to exit the battle each time and raise the level of the A.I. enemy to match yours.
G.)In about 20 minutes, give or take, you should be at level 100 which now unlocks many things.

Now, let's pretend that by then you have unlocked fucking everything for your favourite character. So let's go to your second favourite, who's level 1 and has jack fucking shit. So here's what you do :

On you favourite day, you fight a level 100 Exdeath that has relatively lax A.I. since most HP attacks can break him and he abuses the Barrier technique that will you push you upwards and away, narrowly avoiding your hitbox many times. Just spam HP attacks and watch those levels go up. You may need to do it twice.

CONGRATULATIONS! Now you character is level 100 in 5 minutes top and you have CP to spare and slot techniques and abilities up the wazoo. You are also eligible to buy a Levell 100 sword that can one shot characters several levels bellow you. So what do you do?

1.)Set your favourite day on the PSP(if the day has passed)
2.)Enter a free fight with a Level 1 Exdeath and completely shitty A.I.
3.)Pick the throne of Chaos
4.)Deck your character out in high damaging weapons and armour and fill ALL the CP with the Abilities you wanna level up. HOWEVER! Equip only one HP attack and make it be your bread and butter until you master it
5.)Battle starts and since it's the Favourite Day, Moogle also gives you a damage threshold to do in order to gain MORE AP as a bonus at the end of the fight
6.)Usually, if you have a equipped those level 100 weapons, are level 100, Exedeath is level1 and it's your favourite day, you probably are already starting at 9999 Brave Points and if not, a simple Brave attack would do it. Or a two-three hit HP Attack for that matter
7.)Attack Exdeath and see how quickly he dies. With Cloud and Squall, each match took literally 3 seconds to end.
8.)Rinse and repeat until you master everything. If the day changes, simply change the dates on your PSP again and voila, you even get presents from Moogle if you check your calendar

Repeat for all characters. It's easy, swift and you can do it while watching a movie, jewtube, reading mangos with Miku-chan, whatever you desire. The hardest was the Emperor because of his shitty HP attacks requiring set-up making him the most cumbersome to farm for. Remember : Once mastered, Abilities can give you new abilities and always half their original CP cost so it's always nice to have them mastered. And another thing :

*If you don't put any forward or backward directional attacks, Brave or HP, and only put one Neutral Brave and one Neutral HP attack(either ground or air) then the Neutral attack will also work if you press it to activate with a direction because the game will identify it as an "All Directional attack".

Note : This works on LITERALLY ALL versions of Dissidia for the PSP : The OG Japanese Dissidia, the Western Dissidia, Dissidia Universal Tunning and Dissidia 012.

If you want, I can tell you my optimal set-ups for any character you desire to have maximum control in battle.
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