Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

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Re: Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

Post by mad bum » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:33 pm

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Re: Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:39 pm

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I assume neither Communism nor Fascism will get a hold of America because of the Freemasons. Most likely it will be Distributism or anarcho-capitalism.
I assume this will leave distributism by default because ancap doesn't work, even less so than communism.

(Don't actually know anything about distributism, but it can't possibly be worse.)
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Re: Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

Post by Guest » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:22 pm

Tony Schiavone wrote:
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Dude I got an MBA I know what I'm talkin about
I'm not doubting you I'm just not familiar enough with the situation in America who owns what regarding the internet :lol:

As far as I'm aware Telekom owns almost everything here regarding infrastructure and there is several providers who can make their own prices.
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The home-improvement markets here could use some deregulation, the big guys only survived because of price rigging most likely. At least that's what those idiots literally said in a meeting when I was present :lol:

"Es wird wieder zu Absprachen kommen"

I highly doubt that sector can be saved, no matter what you do there will either be a monopoly that comes out on top or an (demand)oligopoly.

The other fun news is that AfD wants to ban online porn and I fear they gonna go all the way because they aren't idiots like Ursula von der Leyen :lol:
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Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:39 pm
I assume this will leave distributism by default because ancap doesn't work, even less so than communism.

(Don't actually know anything about distributism, but it can't possibly be worse.)
Ancap is basically feudalism 2.0.

Oswald Spengler talked about armies becoming privatized, becoming loyal to their war leader instead of the state and similar stuff. In the grand scheme of things capitalist society is drifting towards that. You have the 1% who own all the money while the other 99% have nothing etc.

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Re: Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:21 am

But feudalism has a king or kaiser/emperor at the top. Sure, there's been enough cases where he had fuckall power and was just used as a marionette, but his mere presence usually ensured that the lords would follow the rules, or at least be more sneaky about things.
Ancap on the other hand would be a free-for-all with no rule aside from "The strong fucks everyone else".
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There was also some AFD lady who accidentally bought her young son a copy of Senran Kagura because she didn't do research, only to then become all salty and wanting to ban these kinds of games. The AFD clearly has no idea about their voters' favorite pastimes.
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Re: Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

Post by rabidtictac » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:00 pm

VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:21 am
But feudalism has a king or kaiser/emperor at the top. Sure, there's been enough cases where he had fuckall power and was just used as a marionette, but his mere presence usually ensured that the lords would follow the rules, or at least be more sneaky about things.
Ancap on the other hand would be a free-for-all with no rule aside from "The strong fucks everyone else".
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There was also some AFD lady who accidentally bought her young son a copy of Senran Kagura because she didn't do research, only to then become all salty and wanting to ban these kinds of games. The AFD clearly has no idea about their voters' favorite pastimes.
He's several steps ahead of you there by saying it's feudalism. Ancap ideas always degenerate into a strong central ruler because that's how human societies work. There's always a certain percentage of violent assholes in every society who will employ force. No amount of >>>>>>>>>>>muh NAP <<<<<<<< can stop that.

So the ancap idiots fuck up the working society and take everything to anarchy. Then maybe there's a brief period of governance that remotely resembles their ideals, followed immediately by a violent crackdown and transition to dictatorship or feudalism.

Hence, pushing for ancap societies is the same as advocating a return to feudalism.

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Post by Guest » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:04 pm

VoiceOfReasonPast wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:21 am
But feudalism has a king or kaiser/emperor at the top. Sure, there's been enough cases where he had fuckall power and was just used as a marionette, but his mere presence usually ensured that the lords would follow the rules, or at least be more sneaky about things.
Ancap on the other hand would be a free-for-all with no rule aside from "The strong fucks everyone else".
Ancap is based on negative liberty. Everyone is free to do what they want. A society like that can't exist in the long run and would get conquered by more well organized societies. Naturally it will take on the form of feudalism or whatever else they have in place. Life will organize around the circumstances and what is available.

If 1% of people control all wealth then naturally they become the "kings" in that new society. The pension system doesn't work anymore because there is not enough young people etc. you just need to look around to tell where we are going. Stalin and Hitler tried but ultimately they couldn't break away from capitalism because it was so effective. It will run it's course until wealth is concentrated in a few hands.

Since our culture has like only 400 years left, I assume this is the manifestation of its decline. A second middle age in modern times. Spengler said the west is going to get conquered by primitive life who use our technology against us. I assume since there is nothing else on this planet in form of primitive life other than the former colonies it has to be them.

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Re: Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:03 am

That makes sense. The issue ancap enthusiasts make is that they treat ancap as the goal, when it really is just a (rather short) journey.
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Post by Guest » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:40 pm

Maybe Libertarianism will go somewhere if they detach themselves from their autism but I doubt it. That extreme form of putting the individual above all else makes society impossible and they actually had to enforce this with violence to make it possible if they don't want it to devolve into feudalism. Absolute freedom becomes it's opposite.




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Post by Kugelfisch » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:11 pm

AnCap can't work for a very simple reason which the AnCap people don't realize. They are mostly anti-social individuals who want to be left alone. That's fine. So am I. But they are missing the point that most people aren't.
The whole "if somebody wants to harm me, I'll harm them" thing only works as long the people around you disagree with the aggressor. Maybe because of the act of aggression itself or because they disagree with the motivation.
As soon as a group forms, and they will do so and do so very quickly, you're fucked unless you form or join another group. Welcome to the beginning of every civilization ever in the history of mankind. Notice how there wasn't ever an AnCap one.

NAP will turn into NAP-except-for-those-people real damn quick. I'd give it a month or two.

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Re: Net Neutrality....probably should have a thread here on it.

Post by rabidtictac » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:52 am

Add to that I would argue many, many people want to actively enforce their will upon others. If not in big ways, then in small ones.

My family members cannot do x because I don't agree with it
My neighbor needs to let me have part of his property for y because I need it more
I need more resourced but I am not willing to work for them/have no ability/availability to acquire more resources
I hate this person and I want them either killed or imprisoned, but I am too cowardly to do anything violent myself
This offends me and I want it removed from my sight
This way of life is antithetical to my beliefs
It would be convenient if X was illegal so that X would no longer bother me

Sometimes the belief is warranted, sometimes not. I'm not arguing the validity of the view. These are things normal people think all the time. Normal people want some authority that can enforce their will. "My neighbor's music is too loud." In ancapistan, you can go get fucked because you can't do anything except maybe ask them to turn it down, at which point they tell you to get fucked. Or maybe kill you lel.

So then all the people in the neighborhood get together and decide "we don't want loud music and we are prepared to enforce it with a militia." BAM, the beginnings of a society which becomes more centralized and much less ancap. Eventually you get a system like that for everything. "We all pay into a common fund and use it for roads, because it sucks shit when the roads are all busted." Congrats you just destroyed ancapistan. It happens on the small and large scale.

Why do people think societies even exist? Fucking resources! Resource protection, distribution and production. That's why societies fucking exist. Who controls the hoover dam in Ancapistan? Who controls all the fish in the rivers? What, "everyone?" That's shit and you know it. Whoever stakes a claim with guns controls it. Societies are about resources and if you have resources, you can't have ancap bullshit. Me and my 1000 thugs with AKs show up and we claim we own all the deer in x number of miles. Ancapfags can't even go >muh NAP< because that's not direct aggression against them. It's indirect aggression via resource limitation, and if we can count that as aggression then EVERYTHING counts.

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