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[Tesla]

I thought the guns in Borderlands 2 fired differently, but I didn't care and they didn't fire different enough for me to really rotate out guns all that much.

Weirdly i think that game would have been better with weapon degradation. To force you to use different guns.

In general i didn't find either Borderlands games very... fun. Which is a shame considering I was super hyped for the series. That and the humor was funny... for like the first couple missions. Then it was just... stupid.

[rabidtictac]

Weapon degradation is already in the game. It's called leveling and it pisses a lot of noobs off because they want to spam their l33t gear to win everything. They never learned which blue and purple guns are almost as good as the super OP shit.

[Some Sick Fuck]

I thought the guns in Borderlands 2 fired differently, but I didn't care and they didn't fire different enough for me to really rotate out guns all that much.

Weirdly i think that game would have been better with weapon degradation. To force you to use different guns.

You clearly weren't playing for very long, didn't you? Like tictac said, this game is closer to Diablo in that regard, through the game you and your enemies level up, but weapons you've picked up don't. There is no reason for yet another system to make weapons less viable - by the way, weapon degradation is a shitty idea in most of the games with few exceptions. It was exceptionally stupid in Fallout 3, and it was super annoying in Far Cry 2, because you would fire maybe 3-4 magazines and the weapon. Maybe in games like Stalker in can actually work, but I haven't played that.

Also, playing with friends is of course a different experience.

[Tesla]

I thought the guns in Borderlands 2 fired differently, but I didn't care and they didn't fire different enough for me to really rotate out guns all that much.

Weirdly i think that game would have been better with weapon degradation. To force you to use different guns.

You clearly weren't playing for very long, didn't you? Like tictac said, this game is closer to Diablo in that regard, through the game you and your enemies level up, but weapons you've picked up don't. There is no reason for yet another system to make weapons less viable - by the way, weapon degradation is a shitty idea in most of the games with few exceptions. It was exceptionally stupid in Fallout 3, and it was super annoying in Far Cry 2, because you would fire maybe 3-4 magazines and the weapon. Maybe in games like Stalker in can actually work, but I haven't played that.

Also, playing with friends is of course a different experience.

Obviously you switched them out when the level increases came, but then i'd just stick with the next thing that worked, and they tended to work for a good lone time again. Rarely was their any need or challenge to actually try too many of the guns you'd get rather them scrap them.

Did play Co-op. Played all the way through it like the first borderlands. Though unlike the first one i didn't go around for a second class run through.

Degradation done right is a GREAT mechanic because it requires you to be resourceful and not just blow your load with your most powerful gun at will. That also allows there to be power differentials in the same weapons tier.

The guns in borderlands are all different sure, but they're all... fine. There are rarely any moments where you are facing down a tough enemy and all you have left is ammo for a TERRIBLE weapon.

In fallout games it's just done poorly because they double up degradation with rare ammo types so you can literally never fire your big guns.

Makes sense for a post apocalyptic setting, but isn't very fun.

[rabidtictac]

Another reason to swap weapons is matching elements. You might not have noticed if you played on Normal and not UVHM, but element matching deals waaaaaaaay more damage. Fire on flesh, corrosive on armor, shock on shields. And in UVHM, you also need a good Slag weapon to apply the Slag debuff to enemies so you can hurt them. At the very least, your gear will need to include one good fire weapon, one good corrosive weapon and one good slag weapon.

You can kind of avoid doing that if you make an entire build around a neutral element, like explosive (my favorite), shock or non-elemental guns. And if your build deals a shit-ton of damage, you can avoid using Slag most of the time too. But you gotta have a kickass build.

I'm also going to disagree about degradation being a great mechanic. You'll have to give me some examples of games where it is great.

On Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode, you'll already be replacing your gear every 4-5 levels if you don't want to die all the time. That'll be the case until you hit level 72. I think adding degradation ON TOP of that would piss everyone off, including me, ESPECIALLY when some of the best guns in the game are quest rewards that you have to reset your playthrough to get multiples of.

It's totally fine if you didn't play enough to get to UVHM and decided BL2 wasn't for you. But it sounds to me like you didn't play far enough to really see everything the game had to offer, and how all the mechanics come together at higher levels. UVHM and the OP levels are the meat of the game and where the real challenge is as well.

[Tesla]

I'm also going to disagree about degradation being a great mechanic. You'll have to give me some examples of games where it is great.

You are all big Monster Hunter Fans aren't you?

The Summon Knight games i've played were extremely fun games that would of sort of sucked without weapon durability.

Durability is vital to game play in the battle brothers series. As well as the Fire Emblem series.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

I'm also going to disagree about degradation being a great mechanic. You'll have to give me some examples of games where it is great.

You are all big Monster Hunter Fans aren't you?

Monster Hunter weapons only become dull and are easily fixed. They don't break. And Gunners don't have degradation at all, just ammo.

[Boogie's Panniculus]

The whole matching elemental damage shit is what i disliked about borderlands.

I get why some like it, but micromanaging everything just irritates me. I dont want to do that when playing games. I just want to play and have fun without having to bother with keeping track of what enemies will be in what areas and keeping different copies of guns and remembering to swap my gear around everytime i go to a different area.

Bleh.

[rabidtictac]

That's also fine, and I'm not going to defend it because yeah, matching elements is the easiest way to add a massive damage boost to your attacks. But I will say that you can use specific kinds of neutral builds to run a set of weapons/an element type of weapons in basically every environment. For 3 out of 6 characters in Borderlands 2, I have them set up with explosive builds because I like explosive weapons so much. If you find ways to boost a neutral element with skills or equipment, you can get pretty close to the damage bonus for matching elements. Never quite as good of course, but it's way less mentally taxing to have one gun type for everything.

Although... Fucking Constructors. And if you have a Shock Gaige build, ION Loaders and the 4 Kings are fucking horrible. No weapon type is 100% neutral. Even non-elemental IIRC gets resisted by some stuff.

I've been playing more of the Pre-Sequel. It's fun but definitely an inferior game. I don't know why they did this, but when you hit level 50, every enemy suddenly gives about 1/5th the experience. And that continues until level 70. I don't know why the hell someone thought that was a good idea. It just means people are going to use save editors or won't play the game as much. In Borderlands 2, leveling actually kinda gets faster in UVHM because every second enemy is a super ultimate omega badass who gives thousands of experience. Also, bosses give shitloads of XP in Borderlands 2.

[Carn]

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