PushingUpRoses AKA SuckingOutFatness (Advocate of suicide, Queen of cucking LGR)

[BlueberryRagamuffin]

Chicken lay eggs anyway and if they aren't fertilized there's no potential life there. Milk cows are specifically bred to give milk and exist for that purpose alone. They aren't natural beasts and aren't able to survive in the wild. They not only don't mind being milked, they need it.

Yes, there are people that abuse farm animals. But the argument isn't if that's alright or not. It isn't. There are also people that beat their dog to make it an unhinged, aggressive beast yet I'm sure you wouldn't advocate against people having dogs as pets.

Farmed chickens and cows are bred to produce unnaturally large amounts of eggs and milk. A wild chicken would only lay eggs roughly once a month. Farmed chickens do it once a day. We wouldn't need to milk cows if they were left alone.

There's an ideological difference between us that can't be resolved. I'm not saying we should only kill "humanely." We shouldn't kill at all.

[Poonoo]

What reason do animal rights activists have to lie? Are they shilling for Big Soy?

They are mostly radical wack jobs who have a "ends justify the means" attitude, like Bob with his "no bad tactics, only bad targets" spiel. Just look at what the Animal Libertaion Front have done:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline. ... tion_front

By the way, PETA have low key endorsed their behaviour. They will also resort to straight up making shit up:

https://eathropology.com/2013/04/08/bro ... ther-crap/

Here they are trying to claim that broccoli has more protein than meat. Leftists are generally way more fucking emotional than the right so they will resort to shitty tactics like this because of desperation. "Progress isn't happening fast enough, we can't sit by and let more animals die if we can fix it now" is probably what goes through these idiots heads. The right certainly lies too but in that case it is usually because they are shilling for something. On the left it is a mix of both.

That doesn't mean that all animal rights activists are all wrong just because PeTA are all stupid assholes.

#NotAllFeminsts #NotAllAnimalRightsActivists

The animals shouldn't live their whole lives in cages and should be free range. Free range is how animals have been farmed for millennia. The horrific caged way it's done now is unnatural and degenerate.

Modern farm animals are unnatural and degenerate. They have been bred to be food for that time period and have changed physically, and while I know you aren't arguing for them to be in the wild because you aren't stupid I don't see much of a difference between them walking around on grass and being stuck in a cage since they won't function like a wild animal. Either way, they will be food no matter what. This argument makes more sense if they were wild animals kidnapped and then put in cages but they aren't, their lives were always going to be shit and mundane and as long as they aren't tortured I don't see an issue.

[rabidtictac]

I'm not saying we should only kill "humanely." We shouldn't kill at all.

Well that's just a fucking retarded opinion.

Also @ Poonoo: domesticated animals get a LOT in exchange for eventually being food. Their genes are secure and protected. Their species cannot die out. They are protected from natural predators and disease.

In fact, I'd argue cage-free domesticated animals live better lives than most wild animals do.

Edit: Oh and plenty of people have farm chickens in backyard chicken runs and they lay more often than once a fucking month. Come the fuck on with that bullshit. The amount chickens lay varies but it is DEFINITELY more than once a month.

[Kugelfisch]

Farmed chickens and cows are bred to produce unnaturally large amounts of eggs and milk. A wild chicken would only lay eggs roughly once a month. Farmed chickens do it once a day. We wouldn't need to milk cows if they were left alone.

There's an ideological difference between us that can't be resolved. I'm not saying we should only kill "humanely." We shouldn't kill at all.

Every single vegetable and fruit is "bred" all the same. The hen is no worse off laying four eggs a week because that's just how it is. We wouldn't need to milk the cows, sure. We wouldn't need them at all, in fact. They wouldn't be there in the first place. Just like your dog wouldn't have ever been there, or really any dog or cat ever for that matter.

You're right that there's an ideological difference here that can't be resolved. You're way too emotional about killing. It's one of the most normal things there is. To see the act of killing another living being as unacceptable, no matter the circumstance, is pretty much unheard of wherever you go. Even the most averse culture at least allows self-defence.

[rabidtictac]

I also really hate the stupid meme that any random fish or bird is as intelligent and worthwhile to keep alive as a dog or cat.

Dogs and cats are companions animals which evolved alongside humans and were bred as COMPANIONS and FELLOW HUNTERS. Killing a retriever for meat is tantamount to throwing your bow and arrow on the fire because you're cold. The dog has so much more value to you than just its meat or even its sentimental value. Dogs evolved alongside humans to be receptive to human input in a way no other animal is.

A cow or pig might be docile and friendly, but it just doesn't care about what you have to say all that much and it's not going to protect your house, rescue you from a burning building or help you hunt dinner. How many animals can you think of that can be trained to find a freshly-killed game fowl and BRING IT BACK TO YOU WITHOUT EATING IT?

[Kugelfisch]

How many animals can you think of that can be trained to find a freshly-killed game fowl and BRING IT BACK TO YOU WITHOUT EATING IT?

Dogs and hawks. That's it.

[Liar Revealed]

I'm not going to argue that humans should stop eating meat entirely. I think we're an omnivorous species and it's in our DNA. It just wouldn't be possible. It's like those atheists that think they can get people to stop practicing religion someday. Never going to happen,,,, it's human nature.

But farmers should just let the animals live their lives naturally on old-fashioned farms like they used to. Not those creepy Borg cages.

And Kugel's right that the planet is overpopulated and we'd be a lot better off if like 50% of the human population was eliminated. We could probably start by stopping foreign aid to all these 3rd world shitholes where people breed like rats. I always get pissed off when I see some Western doctor over there saving some kids' lives and I'm like AT LEAST SPAY AND NEUTER THOSE LITTLE BASTARDS, DAMMIT!!! Because each one of those kids is going to breed at least ten more.

[BlueberryRagamuffin]

Every single vegetable and fruit is "bred" all the same. The hen is no worse off laying four eggs a week because that's just how it is. We wouldn't need to milk the cows, sure. We wouldn't need them at all, in fact. They wouldn't be there in the first place. Just like your dog wouldn't have ever been there, or really any dog or cat ever for that matter.

You're right that there's an ideological difference here that can't be resolved. You're way too emotional about killing. It's one of the most normal things there is. To see the act of killing another living being as unacceptable, no matter the circumstance, is pretty much unheard of wherever you go. Even the most averse culture at least allows self-defence.

That's what I'm saying. We breed these animals just so they can suffer and die. It's better they didn't exist at all.

Of course I'm not saying that self-defense isn't acceptable. Self-defense and euthanasia are the only justified rationales for killing another being.

[Kugelfisch]

It's a self-solving problem at the end of it. I watched something about insects for food and the argument was brought up that humanity will eventually have to turn to it because you wouldn't be able to feed the world's population eventually without going for grasshoppers.
I hate everything about that idea. How about less world population? I can easily think about a handful of cultures that everyone could do very well without that each make up for hundreds of millions of people. Not only would you solve issues with food, but also with work, energy and pollution. The idea that every life is precious is pure cancer.

But again, I'm not running things. That line of thinking is not shared by the vast majority of people and who am I to tell them, right? Have fun, people of the future ten generations ahead. I won't have to worry about that shit. I won't lose any sleep over the future while BBQing a trout on my balcony and enjoying the summer weather. Joke's on you.

That's what I'm saying. We breed these animals just so they can suffer and die. It's better they didn't exist at all.

Of course I'm not saying that self-defense isn't acceptable. Self-defense and euthanasia are the only justified rationales for killing another being.

The chicken that can lay many eggs doesn't suffer from it, though. Just like the apple tree that can bear more and bigger fruit doesn't.

Oh, I'm a big fan of euthanasia but I'm thinking that your idea of euthanasia is quite different from mine.

[Guest]

What’s with the Cucking LGR in the title? He seemed like an alright guy to me.