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Re: Movieblob

by rabidtictac » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:16 pm

JMS isn't a god or anything. Babylon 5 was good because of the input of lots of creative people. Kind of the opposite of the capeshit movieblob likes.

Re: Movieblob

by Guest » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:53 pm

BenComicGraphics wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:22 pm
There's also times he's fucking full of shit. Like he claims he had trapdoors and backdoors for every single character in Babylon 5 since before day 1 of filming. That if any actor quit or died in a car crash he had a way to write them out instantly no matter when in the show it happened.
I believe him to be honest. He had to write out at least four characters from the pilot who would have been recurring. He wrote out the lead because of Michael O'Hare's problems with schizophrenia. He wrote out like three or four other major characters over the course of the series and, aside from the way he wrote out hot blonde psychic, the way he did it felt very natural. It's not like other shows where they just kill off the characters or they write them out in such way that you go 'What? [character] would never behave that way'. The way JMS wrote them out usually felt completely logical and generally allowed for the actor to come back if they so chose.

Re: Movieblob

by BenComicGraphics » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:22 pm

rabidtictac wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:37 pm
Kugelfisch wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:50 pm
Guest wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:36 pm
Shared universes in general need to stop.
Same shit with TV shows not knowing when or how to end. Just tell a story and be done with it. Fuck it, I'm including book series' as well!
A lot of tv shows I like ended with a definitive, planned conclusion. That's how you do that shit. Start out with an end point in mind and stick to it. I understand it sucks if you get cancelled before then, but most of them made it.

Babylon 5
The Shield
The Wire
Band of Brothers

Tv shows need to pick a format and stick to it. You either plan everything out and have a conclusion set up in advance, or you go full serial format with unconnected episodes, like Columbo. Columbo never needed a planned conclusion because every episode is its own conclusion. But the half-in, half-out shit needs to stop. If you want to do the soap opera thing of connecting every episode, it needs to be planned and not lazy like Gayme of Thrones.
JMS is a showrunner and writer I have mixed feelings on. He's written like 2 or 3 really good speeches in his life. But he's reused them in everything he's done from B5 to Spider-man to Superman. There's also times he's fucking full of shit. Like he claims he had trapdoors and backdoors for every single character in Babylon 5 since before day 1 of filming. That if any actor quit or died in a car crash he had a way to write them out instantly no matter when in the show it happened.

Bull. Shit.

Re: Movieblob

by Kugelfisch » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:51 pm

It's the only thing I respect about Breaking Bad. While the show spiralled out of control, there were only four seasons planned and it concludes the show. But it started getting very popular so another season was ordered. The writers were smart enough to pretty much kill everyone and ruin everything so that the fifth season would 100% be the end, no matter what the studio wants.
Granted, in some way they are still milking that cow with Better Call Saul but it's a widely different show from what I've seen.

Re: Movieblob

by rabidtictac » Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:37 pm

Kugelfisch wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:50 pm
Guest wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:36 pm
Shared universes in general need to stop.
Same shit with TV shows not knowing when or how to end. Just tell a story and be done with it. Fuck it, I'm including book series' as well!
A lot of tv shows I like ended with a definitive, planned conclusion. That's how you do that shit. Start out with an end point in mind and stick to it. I understand it sucks if you get cancelled before then, but most of them made it.

Babylon 5
The Shield
The Wire
Band of Brothers

Tv shows need to pick a format and stick to it. You either plan everything out and have a conclusion set up in advance, or you go full serial format with unconnected episodes, like Columbo. Columbo never needed a planned conclusion because every episode is its own conclusion. But the half-in, half-out shit needs to stop. If you want to do the soap opera thing of connecting every episode, it needs to be planned and not lazy like Gayme of Thrones.

Re: Movieblob

by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:40 pm

Whispering is less corny and more cinematic.

Re: Movieblob

by Guest » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:36 pm

Wonder Woman was around fighting racist Christians.

I only knew Hawkeye from the Avengers arcade game, where "Avengers assemble" was a battle cry used a million times. Not sure why they made a big deal about using it in the movies, only to undercut it by having Cap whisper it like he's in an ASMR video.

Re: Movieblob

by VoiceOfReasonPast » Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:11 pm

BenComicGraphics wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:15 pm
Avengers, people talk about loving to see 'all their favorite heroes' together. Fuckers only knew Hulk, Iron Man, and MAYBE Cap in the public consciousness. Thor? Black Widow? fucking Hawkeye? Pfft.
You leave ma boi Hawkeye alone. He played a vital role in Thor when he... like, ran around with a bow?
Guest wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:36 pm
And again, dummies, when I'm watching Aquaman struggle against some jogger in an iron suit I can't stop wondering why the eff Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Cyborg, or anyone else in your gay universe isn't there saving the day in literally five seconds. Ooh, Ocean Master is really good at fighting with a trident. Superman could crush him with a snot rocket inbetween Lois breeding sessions.
Stop bringing logic into this.
Besides, Aquaman takes place when Superman was still dead. I think.

Re: Movieblob

by Guest » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:25 pm

What the fuck did you just fucking say about [post-credits scenes], you little bitch?!



George Miller is a little feminist shit. But I did like that WB was going to have different actors playing Superman and Batman in the team up movies but keep whoever in the regular entries. Whatever. Hollywood is a death spiral now as civilization slow motion collapses. If the 2027 asteroid doesn't take us out, I don't see capeshit really continuing beyond tv and mediocre nigflix movies WITH A MESSAGE!

Re: Movieblob

by BenComicGraphics » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:15 pm

The first ending to Iron Man with Sam Jackson showing up was fine. In fact, I can't think of post-credits being a widespread thing back then. I have a feeling Favreau regrets starting a shitty Hollywood trend, however. For as much as the original Iron Man stood on it's own, having a grand total of two tie-in hints was fine(especially since one was in a background of a shot, out of focus, and the other was literally after the credits finished rolling). Unfortunately, Feige had no sense of restraint.

Like I said, I like Captain America: First Avenger. It's not a perfect film by any means, but it had enough of the Joe Johnson look and feel that it still stands on it's own. If there was never an MCU and you had a passing understanding of who Captain America is, you could enjoy the film.

The timeskip at the end was fine too, IMHO. The man out of time is an older literary trope and while it hinted at future movies, it didn't require seeing them to get a sense of finality.

But after that, everything changed. None of the stories were personal stories anymore. Backgrounds and foregrounds over-saturated with franchise hints. The Ed Norton Incredible Hulk was bogged down and overall an ugly film to watch. Like, the film is just visually ugly. To the point the Ang Lee Hulk looks better by just having better color balance. A huge amount of franchise hints, a teasing of the Leader, a shitty version of Abomination, and member berries for the Hulk video game from that console generation.

Thor was primarily an Avengers prequel that sucked at being an Avengers prequel and the actor for Loki is the only thing going for it.

Avengers, people talk about loving to see 'all their favorite heroes' together. Fuckers only knew Hulk, Iron Man, and MAYBE Cap in the public consciousness. Thor? Black Widow? fucking Hawkeye? Pfft.

Honest truth, if DC stayed the course and followed through with their own planned 'phase 1', the George Miller Justice League film would've fucking sunk Marvel because back then Superman, Batman and fucking Wonder Woman had much more pull in the popular zeitgeist than fucking Iron Man, Cap and Thor.

Seriously the only two characters Marvel had that even matches the big DC characters in name were Spider-man and Wolverine, whose movie rights were sold off in the 90's when Marvel was going bankrupt.

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